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Reinhardt

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Picado speed runs

Im trying to achieve the ability to do picado scale runs through different chord progressions when imrpovising. So doing these runs I just do scale runs up and down wich is really boring.
Any advice to spice up my picado runs would be very helpful
Ive seen a few from florian but didnt help much with playing in key or what ever
Like when and where to use hammer on pulloffs to make it sound more interesting?
What scale patterns to use to make it longer?
Any help thanks!

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Pimientito

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RE: Picado speed runs (in reply to Reinhardt)

Hi Reinhardt
There must be hundreds of patternes to improve picado. Personally I find some of the old Paco and Manolo sanlucar falsetas some of the best exercices for picado and they are useful too.
I got bored of stright up and down major scale too so I invented this exercise a couple of years ago to make the scale longer and more interesting. The great thing here is you dont have to learn any new left hand positions and you can concentrate on your picado.
I have written down the whole pattern . lets say you are playing a scale of G major. The run ascends the first 2 strings and then descends in alternate notes, the run now repeats to the 4th string and descends to the 5th, then up to the 3rd etc. The final desceding run is all alternate notes. The tricky part is the change from 3rd to 2cd string...practice slowly. Its all m,i m,i picado. I start my picado runs with m but it doesnt matter too much. Repeat the scale up the fingerboard a fret at a time......

P.S. the lines are not bar lines. They just divide where the finger pattern repeats otherwise its just a lot of numbers.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Apr. 26 2010 10:22:37

Reinhardt

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RE: Picado speed runs (in reply to Reinhardt)

great stuff, gonna figure that pattern out, Keep more coming please and maybe add some mp3 samples?
More melodic patterns ^_^

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Apr. 26 2010 14:53:28

Reinhardt

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RE: Picado speed runs (in reply to Reinhardt)

anyone else? comon guys please.
Ive got one but its very simple.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Apr. 28 2010 4:17:34

Ricardo

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RE: Picado speed runs (in reply to Reinhardt)

http://www.foroflamenco.com/tm.asp?m=134082&mpage=2&p=1&tmode=1&smode=1&key=

Check that Paul Gilbert vid I posted.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Apr. 28 2010 4:21:37

jg7238

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RE: Picado speed runs (in reply to Reinhardt)

Try these. They are por solea. Not a good angle at first but it changes after. The last one is a b melodic minor ascending and descending which you can use different patterns. YOu can do in 2's , triplets and sixteenth notes

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Apr. 28 2010 5:37:29

Reinhardt

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RE: Picado speed runs (in reply to jg7238)

Thx, i have seen this one before. Im actualy looking for runs like http://www.foroflamenco.com/tm.asp?m=49596&mpage=1&p=&tmode=1&smode=1&key=speed one of florians post but he never answers his e-mail on this site so i dunno how to get it from him.

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Apr. 28 2010 6:09:44

Reinhardt

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RE: Picado speed runs (in reply to Reinhardt)

"cough" anyone else?

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date May 2 2010 13:02:12

Ricardo

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RE: Picado speed runs (in reply to Reinhardt)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Reinhardt

"cough" anyone else?

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date May 2 2010 13:09:04

Grisha

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RE: Picado speed runs (in reply to Reinhardt)

Sure. Let's take c-major scale. You can go:

Up: C E D F E G F A G B A C B D C
Down: C A B G A F G E F D E C D B C

Up: C D E D E F E F G F G A G A B A B C B C D C
Down: C B A B A G A G F G F E F E D E D C D C B C

Up: C D E F D E F G E F G A F G A B G A B C A B C D B C D E C
Down: C B A G B A G F A G F E G F E D F E D C E D C B D C B A C

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date May 2 2010 13:17:16

jg7238

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RE: Picado speed runs (in reply to Reinhardt)

Boy, I love sarcasm!

quote:

"cough" anyone else?

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date May 2 2010 13:32:54

Rain

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RE: Picado speed runs (in reply to Reinhardt)

Buy Estudio Tecnico de la Guitarra Flamenca Vol.1 by Manuel Granados. It has tons of exercises covering picado-arps-tremelo, enough to last you a lifetime.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date May 2 2010 13:46:20

minordjango

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RE: Picado speed runs (in reply to Reinhardt)

hey JG you love sarcasm you and me would get along well amigo!.

when i arrived in the UK, they asked me what was in my Guitar case

i said just a missle, they took it seriously ans ask a few more questions.......... i was laughing.

anyway.

I also have the Granados book Reindhardt (hey , hold on im minordjango we are like brothers).

but as todd said its more how we practice i hope we can all discuss it more.

i.e what is the value of practicing scales with m,a when your in relity going to use more i, and m ?

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date May 2 2010 14:01:46

jg7238

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RE: Picado speed runs (in reply to minordjango)

I think that using m,a is a good warmup before going to i,m. The reason being I think the right hand is going to feel more responsive and more prepared. (m-up, a-down, m-down or a-down, m-down, m-up triplet rasgueados are pretty good warmups too.)

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i.e what is the value of practicing scales with m,a when your in relity going to use more i, and m ?

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date May 2 2010 14:37:12

Ricardo

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RE: Picado speed runs (in reply to Reinhardt)

quote:

Im trying to achieve the ability to do picado scale runs through different chord progressions when imrpovising.

ummm, like WHAT chord progression????

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date May 3 2010 13:50:39

John O.

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RE: Picado speed runs (in reply to Reinhardt)

Lately I've been practicing the modes in the most typical keys in flamenco, especially in a bar position, then improvising in compás, for example solea por buleria, a melody Dm - C - A# - A or F - Gm - A# - A or G7 - C7 - F7 - A#7 - A.

You shouldn't try to re-invent the wheel. The more simple falsetas you know, the more intuitively you'll be able to do this. I'd say that's what you should try rather than a bunch of scale exercizes.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date May 3 2010 14:13:32

minordjango

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RE: Picado speed runs (in reply to Reinhardt)

quote:

I think that using m,a is a good warmup before going to i,m. The reason being I think the right hand is going to feel more responsive and more prepared. (m-up, a-down, m-down or a-down, m-down, m-up triplet rasgueados are pretty good warmups too.)

then thats what ill do ,

Ricardo has a huge point , i m a jazzer, and love to help, What progressions man , playing Jazz is a different kettle of fish

picado through chord progressions ------out line the changes the hardest Flamenco (Harmonically would be the easiest to improv over.

give us some more info amigo

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date May 3 2010 14:15:10

Reinhardt

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RE: Picado speed runs (in reply to minordjango)

Well, i dont wanna go into much detail of what chord progressions ect. . cuz i dont realy play flamenco and dont want a 5 page discussion about it again :) but just basic chord progressions like Am Gmaj Fmaj Emaj stuff like that and just do fast runs through the chord progression. But i find that legato runs works good but its really hard on the fingers to get this technique down and get a clear sound of the pulloffs.
But all the replies was helpful so far
thanks guys!

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date May 5 2010 10:59:47