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Stu

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From: London (the South of it), England

Tauromagia Book

hey don't know if this has been posted already but on the latest flamenco world news letter this album has finally been transcribed!

https://www.flamenco-world.com/tienda/producto/tauromagia-%28book%29/5402/

anyone got it??

any good?

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Doitsujin

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RE: Tauromagia Book (in reply to Stu)

I have a question. Where is the flamenco-world.com shop located? In spain?

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Mar. 13 2010 2:31:19

Stu

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From: London (the South of it), England

RE: Tauromagia Book (in reply to Stu)

im not sure man! why?

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Mar. 13 2010 2:47:33

NormanKliman

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RE: Tauromagia Book (in reply to Stu)

I haven't checked for a long time, but the company used to be located in Madrid. I heard that they opened a shop there a few years ago.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Mar. 13 2010 3:40:19

Ricardo

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RE: Tauromagia Book (in reply to Stu)

Wow it's long over due. I transcribed this myself back in college, around 1996 or so. I still have it in pencil, standard notation, and never got around to doing tab and accurate fingerings and stuff. I have seen the Solea por buleria, and the Alegrias in collections before, perhaps my this same guy Worms?

When I was in madrid I could not find the flamenco world store, I think they must have closed it or I am crazy dumb. Or they could have moved it, because I had been there a few times. Flamenco Vive was always the best store in Madrid for flamenco stuff anyway.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Mar. 13 2010 5:03:44

chapman_g

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RE: Tauromagia Book (in reply to Ricardo)

I really am still wondering why I keep adding resources instead of really using them, but I will have to get this book. Notation is much easier for me to read, and everything I saw out there before from this album was TAB, if I had known you had a notation transcription I would have bought a copy from you.

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Mar. 13 2010 5:12:49

Ricardo

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RE: Tauromagia Book (in reply to chapman_g)

quote:

ORIGINAL: chapman_g

I really am still wondering why I keep adding resources instead of really using them, but I will have to get this book. Notation is much easier for me to read, and everything I saw out there before from this album was TAB, if I had known you had a notation transcription I would have bought a copy from you.

It is single first draft pencil, a little sloppy, no fingerings. I copied one piece for a student at kinko's, and you could barely see it. I had to go over it in pen again and copy again. I am not doing that for the whole book though.

But it was the Rondeña I do have that I went over in pen.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Mar. 13 2010 7:11:37

edguerin

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From: Siegburg, Alemania

RE: Tauromagia Book (in reply to Ricardo)

quote:

I could not find the flamenco world store

This is the address you can find on their homepage:

FLAMENCO-WORLD.COM
Sebastián Elcano 16 A, 1º B
28012 Madrid
España
Tel: + (34) 91 468 77 78
Fax: + (34) 91 530 07 62

They're an internet-shop now though ...

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Mar. 13 2010 8:18:16

Doitsujin

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RE: Tauromagia Book (in reply to Stu)

quote:

Notation is much easier for me to read, and everything I saw out there before from this album was TAB

Really ?? Everybody knows that the average flamenco aficionado cant read notation...... Tab is nothing else than notation but with numbers instead of dots.... its much easyer and faster to read...... I get crazy playing a rondana from notation or anything from the 7th fret...

Lets be honest. Notation is just a lenguage to be able for any instrument to read. But its absolutely unnecessary for guitar coz TAB is 110% more userfriendly IMO. And even betteris learning just from watching somebody playing. Than you really get behind the flasetas and dont have to find out yourself by guessing reading notation or tab.

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Mar. 13 2010 8:51:01

Mike_Kinny

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RE: Tauromagia Book (in reply to Doitsujin)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Doitsujin

quote:

Notation is much easier for me to read, and everything I saw out there before from this album was TAB

Really ?? Everybody knows that the average flamenco aficionado cant read notation...... Tab is nothing else than notation but with numbers instead of dots.... its much easyer and faster to read...... I get crazy playing a rondana from notation or anything from the 7th fret...

Lets be honest. Notation is just a lenguage to be able for any instrument to read. But its absolutely unnecessary for guitar coz TAB is 110% more userfriendly IMO. And even betteris learning just from watching somebody playing. Than you really get behind the flasetas and dont have to find out yourself by guessing reading notation or tab.

Without a guitar in hand can you look at the tab briefly (3-4 seconds) and tell the key it's written in and have an approximate idea of how it will sound?

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Mar. 13 2010 9:53:34

Estevan

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RE: Tauromagia Book (in reply to Doitsujin)

quote:

Lets be honest. Notation is just a lenguage to be able for any instrument to read. But its absolutely unnecessary for guitar coz TAB is 110% more userfriendly IMO.

IYO.

IMO (as well as chapman_g's O, and believe it or not, even some other people's O) notation is much easier to read. It depends on what you're used to.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Mar. 13 2010 11:55:15

Arash

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RE: Tauromagia Book (in reply to Stu)

i think beeing able to read notes, knowing all the musical theory stuff, is usefull. also in flamenco.

but i am just too lazy (and maybe too stupid) to learn that stuff properly.

tabs and videos did and do it for me.

most important for me are videos, so that i can copy (like a "trained monkey"

)
i would be totally lost without videos. tabs are just additional help.
but if i would just have the tabs and no video, that wouldn't be enough either.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Mar. 13 2010 12:58:10

Rain

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RE: Tauromagia Book (in reply to Stu)

I'm not a huge fan of Claude Worms's transcriptions, but I would definitely be buying this one.

Toauromagia is one CD that I can not live without, Its truly a masterpiece!!!!!!

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Mar. 13 2010 13:30:18

Doitsujin

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RE: Tauromagia Book (in reply to Stu)

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Without a guitar in hand can you look at the tab briefly (3-4 seconds) and tell the key it's written in and have an approximate idea of how it will sound?

Yes, I can read through tabs and know how it sounds and I can learn the fingering at the same time. In the end notation in higher frets also only works with numbers that are added to the notes. So...coz it doesnt get harder with unusual tuning and in higher frets its easier with tab. And you can see the key from the chords.. I see no need for notation at all for guitar. The playing should be in the centre of attention and not the notation or tab...

When you have correct notation and its notated for a composition that is played in the 2nd fret.... than you will have written a Fis instead of an E if you play it in 0-fret... so it also becomes complicated if you wanna play in a different fret than it is written down.. Thats the same problem a pianis will have if you play a bulerias with a pianist in 0-fret. And you need to use 2nd fret capo for a singer who is at your show as guest. You just put on the capo and youre fine but the pianist has to transpose as hell any falseta and chord... This problem doesnt exist with tab for guitar, too.. I hope I wrote more or less understandable.. Its hard to describe :./

I also learned classic guitar in far past for around 10 years. I can read notation without too many problems... but since I switched to flamenco... I avoid notation coz it makes me tired... its like reading a codec... I just want to focus on the music and not on translating something... I got slower over the years with reading notation..

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i think beeing able to read notes, knowing all the musical theory stuff, is usefull. also in flamenco.

but i am just too lazy (and maybe too stupid) to learn that stuff properly.

Yep. Agree. Knowing the theory is very useful. And with notation it can be learned ...thats the only way I guess... Im also too lazy for digging in that field right now... But come on... who needs notation in flamenco? Notation doesnt fit to the image of flamenco at all IMO.

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Mar. 13 2010 13:57:57

Estevan

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RE: Tauromagia Book (in reply to Doitsujin)

quote:

But come on... who needs notation in flamenco? Notation doesnt fit to the image of flamenco at all IMO.

Yeah, "let's be honest" - it's all about image.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Mar. 13 2010 17:26:12

chapman_g

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RE: Tauromagia Book (in reply to Doitsujin)

quote:

Lets be honest. Notation is just a language to be able for any instrument to read. But its absolutely unnecessary for guitar coz TAB is 110% more userfriendly IMO.

quote:

Well, I guess that depends on the user. I have been reading notation for about 20 years compared to only 1st looking at TAB when I got into flamenco a few years ago. So this user instantly recognizes a lot of things more readily with notation than with tab so notation is easier for me. In the end as we know it does not matter whether you use Notation, Tab, Conde, Reyes, Traditional Cejilla, Dunlop Capo, Blanca, Negra, foot stool, no foot stool etc. etc. It is what you do not the tools you use.

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Mar. 13 2010 18:06:08

yohan

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RE: Tauromagia Book (in reply to Stu)

I've finally ordered it

But is flamenco-world always so slow? its been a week since I paid en still no reply.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Apr. 4 2010 11:28:25

chapman_g

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RE: Tauromagia Book (in reply to yohan)

Did you get it yet? What can you tell us?

Michael

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Apr. 5 2010 12:02:59

yohan

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RE: Tauromagia Book (in reply to chapman_g)

It was out of stock hopefully I will get it next week, and I will write a review about it or something.

Btw I have got the Fuente Y caudal book by canizares, It looks very good maybe to hard to play for me though.
but anyone knows if there going to be more paco books after the almoraima one?
Cositas Buenas would be awesome

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