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Which rasgueados do you use most often/feel most comfortable with?
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Jamey
Posts: 187
Joined: Jul. 7 2004
From: Winnipeg, Canada
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 RE: Which rasgueados do you use most... (in reply to Jim Opfer)
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Well I didn't think I had every one. If you look closer you'll see some very common ones missing. 
Namely: PAI (P up, A down I down).
I don't do it that way, instead I add a descending P at the end.
For some reason, no matter what I do, I just can't get it working continuously without a break in it. Hence the addition of the thumb at the end to turn it into a 4 stroke rather than a 3. 
Also: IMI (I up, M down, I down). I reverse it and use two strokes down (I then M) followed without pause by two strokes up (I up, then M up). This is just a relic from playing in punk rock bands years ago and not being able to play picado on the bass fast enough for the other speed freaks in the bands I used to play in (I've never played with a pick).
And the obvious common favourite that is missing (which prompted this thread in the first place): AMI and AMII. I can play both but not continuous (far from it). It seems that these two are very popular and are prefered among those playing more modern Flamenco. I've had very little exposure to either version. I saw an acompanyist in Sevilla do the AMII continuous and I remember thinking "what the hell is that?". 
You mention PSI, here again I add a P stroke down at the end. Again for the same reason. It articulates more but I certainly can't play it as fast as some of the others normally. I find though, that if I keep using it, I get better at it while PAIP then seems to suffer. I don't know.........If I could just get PAI clean, I'd likely drop many of the others in favour of it.
Funny thing is, I learned most of those others almost as an avoidance activity because I just could not get a continuous PAI working properly. 
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Date Oct. 28 2004 21:42:49
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rickm
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 RE: Which rasgueados do you use most... (in reply to Jamey)
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my two sense, 2 stroke- am, p, 3 stroke, p-up, m down, p down, 4 stroke, s,a,m,i
5 stroke, s,a,m,i,p or s,a,m,i,i or i,s,a,m,i and then sometimes, am down hard follwed immed by p down, a up slow for a flourish and p up for a flourish. sounds like a lot, but it fits with the various lessons I've had ....and I'm a beginner, very much so.
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Date Oct. 29 2004 23:15:27
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Jamey
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Joined: Jul. 7 2004
From: Winnipeg, Canada
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RE: Which rasgueados do you use most... (in reply to Skai)
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Well, I learned so many really as a matter of diversion. You see, I'd start with one and try to learn it, then somewhere along the way it either didn't go very well or I'd stumble upon a slightly different version that would work. Later the original one would finally come and I'd at that point have a couple of them when I was really originally only focusing on one. I sort of learned them by half learning them, trying others, getting those ones and then coming back and retrying the earlier ones. After a couple years I ended up with a pile of them that I could do and used regularly (because I was trying to learn them after all so I'd use them in pieces that I'd be learning). The real culprit is the PAI continous one, it is the reason I kept trying others. I've never had any luck with it (mental block perhaps?) so rather than let myself get discouraged, I'd try a different one. Now I have more than I'll ever use realistically so I've stopped playing some of them and just started to focus on a few (couple of each type for different effects).
If I had my preference, I'd like to just use clean versions of PAI, IAI, SAMI and perhaps the two ISAMI and SAMII. That would be it. I'd stop all the others.
Favourite continuous rasgueado? I'd have to say Pepe Habichuela's different varieties. In Al Dron he plays one so fierce that it sounds like he's going to rip the strings off of the guitar. He has a cool one that seems impossible to play:
he taps (golpes) the soundboard with A, plays M up then M down I down. He does this at lightening speed too! It sounds odd but really cool at the same time. Very rhythmic and percussive at the same time. I've tried it but it's so hard as to seem impossible.
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Date Nov. 5 2004 18:34:37
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musicalgrant
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Joined: Oct. 21 2004
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RE: Which rasgueados do you use most... (in reply to Jamey)
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My God Jamey how many have you got??? LOL you are a genius!!!
I have been taught by Juan Martin,( I hear the booing LOL) and he only uses the minimum, lets face it a triplet is a triplet!!
For continous I uses pinky, a, m i, downwards and it works fine
for triplet, thum up on beat, m down index down.. and then move it through to do 4's etc..
for a 4 a,m,i down and then up back on the beat on a down,
and same for five pinky, a, ,m,i,i etc ...what else do you need? it is hard enough to play the guitar why make it harder than it need be???
Hope this helps, it is more about feeling than pinky this and pinky that....that was what I was told...
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Date Nov. 7 2004 22:41:46
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My teachers, all Andalucian, have not bothered me on my technique, as long as the strokes are in there.