Jaleo..share your knowlodge of the palo

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Florian

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Jaleo..share your knowlodge of the palo

Hey i am accompanying Jaleo in a workshop tomarow and since i havent played it much in the past or have much knowlodge of the palo id love to get your thoughts..id love to be prepared for whatever comes up

I have a few example Jaleo tracks and that pretty much forms all my knowlodge of it..
but because its not something like solo compas i am not sure if its artistic interpretation or straight foward jaleo....id prefer to hear a straight foward one first to then recognise the main frame of jaleo...

the feel is different but it feels like slowed down buleria without the really accented 78 or it feels like a buleria the jerez but with really streched acceents in between ...or the buleria part of a rondena in feel..( well lol i am having trouble describing it but i know how its sopossed to feel)
so i have 2 questions ..

1.. Is there any set falsetas or melodyes characteristic of jaleo i should know for dance accomp ?

2.. rithmically can I play whatever i play in buleria but with that feel?...or do i have to mimic the exact palmas with my rithm ?

theres a cajon player too so he can do the jaleo feel...and i can play it as a slow buleria ? will that work ? or do i have to the rithm different all the way through ?

i looked everywhere noone really covers jaleo for dance accomp that much...

i am not getting anywhere with my descriptions lol

i am going to have to upload an audio to avoid confusing you any further lol..brb

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Jan. 15 2010 14:08:46

Andy Culpepper

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RE: Jaleo..share your knowlodge of t... (in reply to Florian)

Just judging from what I have heard...I think the feel of Jaleo is like Bulerias but the accents are just 12,2,4,6,8,10. Like parts of Bulerias de Jerez, but maybe slower?
Someone else will know more. Good luck

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Jan. 15 2010 14:29:49

Florian

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RE: Jaleo..share your knowlodge of t... (in reply to Andy Culpepper)

AUdio example of what i have

Ok this is what i have ...so the guy is doing the strumming similar to rondena...but i am wondering is that because of the singer or would you do it that way even without the singer all the way through ?

its very personalized that why i am having trouble indentifying what's personal touch and what's standard practice

bassicaly i am wondering if i can play whatever i play in bulerias but slower and with that rodena feel (but still what i do in bulerias)...there will be a cajon player there too doing this rythm.. or does the struming have to be that way ( like rondena ) all the way through ?

its as good time as any to look deeper into this palo

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Jan. 15 2010 14:46:21

Florian

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RE: Jaleo..share your knowlodge of t... (in reply to Florian)

thanks deteresa

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Jan. 15 2010 14:53:31

XXX

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RE: Jaleo..share your knowlodge of t... (in reply to Florian)

errr.. whats a rodena??
I think jaleo is mainly slow and 6s, what are you worried about? Sounds like a relaxed palo to play

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Jan. 15 2010 14:56:24

Florian

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RE: Jaleo..share your knowlodge of t... (in reply to XXX)

lol ops "rondenia"

i am not worried, i love the feel...i just wanna know..i wanna have a basic understanding of it first and then i can realx about doing whatever..i dont wanna base my basic knowlodge on something thats may be a very personalized modern interpretation (as much as i like it)...i wanna know ....whats most common

if i dont know the basic common practice first il feel like i am just gambling and hoping to get lucky and il probably play unconfident..i wanna feel confident tomarow that the dancer wont look at me thinking ( that dosent feel quite right or hes just guessing and hoping )

so i figure if i go in with all of our knowlodge togheder...i should be confident or atleast more confident and informed then i was before i asked

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Jan. 15 2010 15:02:24

Ricardo

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RE: Jaleo..share your knowlodge of t... (in reply to Florian)

The singing is almost always bulerias Extremeños. The chords often LEAD the singer instead of follow like in jerez bulerias. And instead of C7-F, you often go F7-Bb, and chromatic down 12,2,4 is the typical remate (like Verdiales/Rondeña as you pointed out).

Pretty much you can play bulerias stuff, but you should concentrate on making a very heavy DOWNBEAT in 6's, and many times you hit the 12 or 6 and let it hang there. It is not always 12,2,4, sometimes you do it all in 3's, 12,3,6,9, it depends on the feel and the dance, and the singer. The main thing about that heavy beat is it makes you feel the weight of the rhythm, and you simply can't get it going too fast. Like it has gravity you can't fight. If you do you could turn it into a normal bulerias by accident.

Falsetas should also not be so funky or off the 1, but should be the the well chosen ones that bring out that heavy down beat on 12 or 6. Falseta melodies like M. Sanlucar's "Maestranza" are good examples, they groove and repeat a theme, also paco's stuff on almoraima. Also you will notice a similar feel in many Solea Escobillas, though the phrasing seems to be half time (2 jaleo compas per one long solea compas).

Hope that helps man.

Ricardo

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Jan. 15 2010 15:24:39

Florian

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RE: Jaleo..share your knowlodge of t... (in reply to Ricardo)

thank you Ricardo it helps alot...just to be safe i will transcribe a falseta from Maestranza

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Jan. 15 2010 15:33:25

veet

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RE: Jaleo..share your knowlodge of t... (in reply to Florian)

there are pretty standard melodies for jaleo extremeño. What sets it apart from basic buleria is the remate. the chorus, where the accents switch to 12,2,4,6,8,10, 12, 1. Lyrically, that's usually signaled by "ay, ay, ay caramba"

As in
si no me caso este año, ay ay, ay caramba-
mE cA-sO el_AñO quE viE-nE (*upper case letters indicate accents)

I posted the mp3 in the uploads section, not sure how to link it in this message...

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Jan. 15 2010 20:24:05

Ricardo

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RE: Jaleo..share your knowlodge of t... (in reply to Florian)

A good one is the part of Nuñez "sevilla" that is in E phrygian. You should hear a similar groove in that section, and it is good for dance. Problem is what key the singer might sing in. If you need por medio stuff, go with the paco stuff from Almoraima instead.

1:23 to 1:42 would be good, but a lot slower.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Jan. 15 2010 22:00:30

sean65

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RE: Jaleo..share your knowlodge of t... (in reply to Florian)

Hey Florian,

I came across this site while looking for similar information about Solea earlier this week. Perhaps you're looking for more detail but at my stage I found it quite a useful reference.

http://www.esflamenco.com/palos/enjaleos.html

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Jan. 16 2010 0:09:33

Florian

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RE: Jaleo..share your knowlodge of t... (in reply to sean65)

Hey thank you very much guys

Veet..

is that Arcángel? ...its weird the voice sounds like him but the guitar sounds like it was recorded in the 50s...

thank you this is greate ...ther more different versions i hear the more i can have an idea of the basics

quote:

If you need por medio stuff, go with the paco stuff from Almoraima instead.

Ricardo

yeah, i am going to use something from that i think..
thank you

Sean65

thank you mate, its a greate litlle resource to give you some idea..i never even knew it existed...

gives me an idea for something we should do for ourselfs here for each palo but take it a step further and do it even better...have the text but also detailed audio examples..and have typical falsetas, rithm, escobillas, letras for each palo...etc..

like our own complete flamenco encyclopedia...that would be quite something

thanks again guys i appreciate you took the time

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Jan. 16 2010 1:06:18