doctors orders (Dr Compas)

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minordjango

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doctors orders (Dr Compas)

Dear Doctor,

Ive been playing a long time, but my compas really sucks,
i have these metronome, rons flamenco master , graf martiniez metronome, and various method books.

thing is doc i wake up and just noodle , cant seem to motivate my self to play with the metronome, im always playing scales and stuff, cant get myself into it, and im going to spain and want to get some lessons , i know they will say , your out of compas so bad !!! , any one got any detailed routine , i.e wake up clap along siple rhythms with metronome , or how to get the accents, im really finding it hard to get the inner pulse happening and ive been playing a while as said

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date May 20 2009 19:59:47

edguerin

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RE: doctors orders (Dr Compas) (in reply to minordjango)

Rp:

Get into a group, peña etc.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date May 21 2009 1:35:57

John O.

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From: Seeheim-Jugenheim, Germany

RE: doctors orders (Dr Compas) (in reply to minordjango)

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cant seem to motivate my self to play with the metronome

That is the problem and will continue to be so until you can motivate yourself. There is no guitarist with a good sense of rhythm who does not work with a metronome.

You can join a group, but if they're good enough they'll expect you to do your homework and know your stuff, if they're not good enough you'll all confuse each other.

When you learn a new falseta look at it as a puzzle, fitting it into the compas to try and understand how the equation works. Everytime I learn something new I don't fully understand I do that: break it down, write the 1-12 above the notes and go through it with a flamenco metronome to make sure it works.

Only you can help yourself there, you wouldn't regret it either!

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date May 21 2009 4:49:10

minordjango

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RE: doctors orders (Dr Compas) (in reply to minordjango)

thats guys , yes John i mean im motivated i play 4 hours today, yet get the metronome going !!! darn it ill do it now instead of thinking about it ,

i recorded some playing and the compass is hirrfic so its metronomic madness , so on we go to rons flamenco master, and just going to stick with tientos and bulerias simple whythm.

cheers

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date May 21 2009 5:40:29

Ron.M

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From: Scotland

RE: doctors orders (Dr Compas) (in reply to minordjango)

Yeah mdj,

John is absolutely correct here.
A major part of the fun in Flamenco is weaving the notes into the rhythm.

I think this is a malady that affects a lot of guitarists who come from a Classical training.
They sort of fall in love with the tonality and sound of the melodies in Flamenco and some of the techniques, but have no real interest in the rhythm and just work to get it "passable" and no more.
On the other hand, some of the best foreign players I've heard come from a "rock" background.

Sadly, if you have no real love and enthusiasm for the rhythm, then you will be very unlikely to succeed as a good Flamenco guitarist IMO.

Here's a good example in my own case...
I totally loath driving and have no interest in cars.
I find it boring and tiresome and would rather take a bus or a train.
Hence I am just a "passable" driver on normal roads.

When I mentioned this to my driving instructor years ago he looked surprised and said "but don't you enjoy reading the road and adjusting for the problems ahead and enjoy the flowing and merging with the other traffic?"

I had to say not really, I just needed a licence for my job and shopping and stuff.

He said he really loved all that stuff as well as doing advanced driving courses and doing closed circuit driving at high speed and practicing on skid pans etc.

So that's why he'll always be an expert driver in all circumstances and I'll just be an ordinary Joe Public driver IMO.

To be a good all-round Flamenco guitarist you have to enjoy ALL the aspects of the music and not just pick bits here and there, I think.

I mean even Gerardo Nuñez can play really great straightforward "chord" backing for a dancer and it really, I mean really rocks!

cheers,

Ron

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date May 21 2009 6:35:40

minordjango

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RE: doctors orders (Dr Compas) (in reply to minordjango)

hey ron, i agree in fact straight down to the driving licence and the rock background,

when i played a lot of classical i was always attracted the the spanish impresionistic works , rodrigo, turina et al, and with Rock wheni first begun i remeber here when a rock/metal group would use the Phrgyian dominant mode (Thats as flamenco as !!!

i appreciate the advice the difference between this and driving is Flamenco is so great to me just for the love and passion of it , not to be the best or something.

I listened to Florians uploads for John , i noticed something , i can technically play alot of what was played, yet, muscially i have got the rhythmic Legs to swing on!! (stand on ) , so im going to put a way my serranito falsetas and try to get some duende with your Flamenco master , today i just memorized a brief compas for bulerias , the excitment when the compas swings , is amazing , i suppose from a classical backround we tend to dig deep into the sonority , as an off thing i remeber many people saying John Williams has little soul on his early recordings , i feel that he plays very strict in time, later he bends the time more, i was watching a video of him and Paco pena playing sevilla by albeniz, i am going to work on this essential musical aspect ... sorry to ramble

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date May 21 2009 7:35:02

Florian

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From: Adelaide/Australia

RE: doctors orders (Dr Compas) (in reply to minordjango)

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thats guys , yes John i mean im motivated i play 4 hours today, yet get the metronome going

no wonder, the sound is mechanical, like a robot, i hate em..u need some compas track with a nice swing and palmas that inspires you..something that goes along with the music and feels like it belongs with what you are playing, who said that you cant have a litlle fun with practicing compas

try ritmo flamenco

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date May 21 2009 7:50:21

minordjango

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RE: doctors orders (Dr Compas) (in reply to minordjango)

thats true florian, but if paco uses them and a lot of you guys well thats it !!! i had better ,
mind you they sound like one of those old bat and ball games from the late 70's (First electronic tv games).

i am **** at maths i cant usually work out the beat !!! man im hopeless

honestly i find it really darn hard to tell what beat im on when listening to a recording, inner pulse is like where out the window !!! metronome madness here we come, i was using the graf martinez today, and i swear it skipped a few beats did my head in !!!

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date May 21 2009 8:02:13

Florian

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RE: doctors orders (Dr Compas) (in reply to minordjango)

lol you re funny

you remind me of this english student i have...the second i make him do a chord where the fingers arent imediatly near eachother on the frets or he dosent know the chord his voice goes up a pitch in an english accent " - Ouch IT HURTS FLORIANNNN

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honestly i find it really darn hard to tell what beat im on when listening to a recording, inner pulse is like where out the window

well a metronome wont fix that, theres no point playing straight if you dont know where you are..u have to find a way to learn ....sorround yourslef with nonstop flamenco as much as you can, in a car , work etc. whenever possible

Rons flamenco metronome is good for learning the counts cause as well as the accents it displays the count each beat falls on

dont skip between palos, do one at the time and stick with it, focus on it, read on it make sure you know the accents...work on a palo a month, listen to everything in that palo, practice palmas to it, try to count out loud with it..dont get up until you understand it ...soon enough the compas light will go on

its not a matter of you not beeing able to do it, its a matter of you not having paid enough attention to it perhaps or havent done it enough...everyone can

i hate maths too...and i am pretty sure that the gipsyes that came up with this werent inventing bulerias between solving equations

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date May 21 2009 8:06:39

XXX

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RE: doctors orders (Dr Compas) (in reply to minordjango)

Since i have loops, i stopped playing against metronome. In fact, i sold my metronome 2 years ago, coz i used it 4 times or so. For me it is useless to have a "click". That says nothing to me, i can do that with my foot, dont need a metronome for it. But everybody is different, you just have to find a way to "get into" that feeling and make it your own.

But there is actually two parts of playing in rythm: feeling or technique. Need to check which one is lacking. You can check if you have the feeling to play a falseta if you try to sing it in rythm, exactly in rythm.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date May 21 2009 8:08:49

Florian

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RE: doctors orders (Dr Compas) (in reply to XXX)

I just thought of something..

the teachers in our school have come up with a compas system for kids...try this

bulerias

PINAPLE apple apple PINAPLE apple apple PINAPLE apple PINAPLE apple TOMATO

just kidding..but they do use that system for kids..use flamenco metronome or something that shows you the count on screen at the same time

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date May 21 2009 8:35:49

minordjango

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RE: doctors orders (Dr Compas) (in reply to minordjango)

thanks guys , some real cool points , so im gonna reads about the tientos, or solea and get it happening , ill upload something, u guys can laugh at it ..

florian man, so it i cant play gypsy guitar or do maths , what i do .

back to 70s tv games !!! see you in that old peoples homes thats tag team those old ladies , and go pinch em on the bottom

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date May 21 2009 8:41:54

Florian

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RE: doctors orders (Dr Compas) (in reply to minordjango)

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florian man, so it i cant play gypsy guitar or do maths , what i do

u put out a flamenco guitar method book

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date May 21 2009 8:47:00

minordjango

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RE: doctors orders (Dr Compas) (in reply to minordjango)

and release it with mel bay !!

not sure where im going with that

or release one of those books which shows 10,000 inversions of the E chords 150 pages , at 29.99

about as useful as using a banana as a capo!

the ritmo flamenco sounds cool ill google it and check it

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date May 21 2009 8:50:21

Florian

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From: Adelaide/Australia

RE: doctors orders (Dr Compas) (in reply to minordjango)

yeah man its really good stuff look for it

it might be "el ritmo flamenco"

its not so much designed for learning compas or anything but its fun to practice too cause it has jaleos too

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date May 21 2009 8:56:00

minordjango

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RE: doctors orders (Dr Compas) (in reply to minordjango)

cool amigo ill check it for sure, be in the land of living soon, like england and spain, so i can buy a few things !!!

theres nothing wherei am at the moment, not even a yamaha guitar,

that pineapple thang is catchy man .... i think thats the way they teache rhythms....work well , ive uploaded like some basic tracks, dance and cante on my mp3 , gonna sleep with it , i remebered there are a few dudes in the bluemountains playing Flamenco , and dancing ?? your near there florian ??

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date May 21 2009 9:23:00

Florian

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RE: doctors orders (Dr Compas) (in reply to minordjango)

mate I need a street directory to get to my local

..i havent seen any blue mountains

serious i got no idea where that is..

i forghot where were you ? tibet or india or something ? how much longher are you there for ? i gues in your situation the forum really would be a nice relief, i remembe i was playing in the country somewhere, (winery) where they didnt have anything, there was nothing to do...except the internet (and drink winer but u can only do so much of that, after a while u dying for a beer)..it was nice to log on and look at something familliar

ps..are you ever gonna tell me why u there ?

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date May 21 2009 9:30:00

mark indigo

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RE: doctors orders (Dr Compas) (in reply to minordjango)

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my compas really sucks,.... cant seem to motivate my self to play with the metronome, im always playing scales and stuff,

you play scales, but not with a metronome?

try playing your scales to the compas tracks as suggested, you will probably have to work out ways to fit them into compas, and you will learn a lot by doing it.

think of them as "falsetas" and try to include remates etc. ie. por solea, scale from 1-10 and remate 10,11,12, play around with things, be creative

that way you can practise your scales, technique, and compas, all at the same time. when you make mistakes, keep going, and improvise your way out of it somehow....

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date May 21 2009 9:57:08

minordjango

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RE: doctors orders (Dr Compas) (in reply to minordjango)

hey folks ,
its gonna be a compas day for me !!!

hey florian, oh dude winery how cool is that , i can well imagine get lost there, a cold beer id love a draft!!!.

ive been traveling 4 years, just a little away from Tibet now was nin yes india and Nepal (Trekking in the mountains .

i can honestly say i aint meet anyone into flamenco guitar ,

oh blue mountains is a great place outside of Sydney, about 2 hours away, Florian your in australia yeah?? i lived there a few years great place man!!!

ive woken up after 4 hours sleep to practice my compas --------- im insane !

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date May 21 2009 14:38:57

Florian

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RE: doctors orders (Dr Compas) (in reply to minordjango)

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ive been traveling 4 years, just a little away from Tibet now was nin yes india and Nepal (Trekking in the mountains .

i can honestly say i aint meet anyone into flamenco guitar ,

dude i admire your courage and sense of adventure, wow and i like how small you make it sound lol " Yeah just in tibet mountains a litlle and india for 9 years thats all " thats a big deal lol

fascinating stuff i am sure youd have a few great stories to tell....its good to see you found what you went in search for in tibet.....a internet cafe

its like that movie seven years in tibet...

where are you from originaly ? are you traveling alone ? isnt it true that the monks arent as peacefull as hoollywood media tries to make em appear.

.i once got into a fight with one ....i thought you could say or do anything to those people and they arent allowed to move.....dont let em full you...under those robs they ficesty listlle fu***ers

dont look em straight in the eye..thats just asking for trouble...they all "packing"....theres gangs of them around here just causing trouble, and banging drums and singing and beating up old ladys

I am in Adelaide abut 3 hours away by plane and about 2 or 3 days by car...

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date May 21 2009 22:48:06

minordjango

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RE: doctors orders (Dr Compas) (in reply to minordjango)

yeah well not sure if i ve found it , well its sure been an adventure amigo,

im like a european dude, yet lived in Oz , so im like a mixed species !!!

Its real mellow in those places i mention man, but really cool, laided back yet with some interesting history (dont go into it here hehe).

Im into the thinking about things so its all cool, yet man, need some flamenco and see the old mates etc........just me , but have a nice Young girl friend, doesnt speak a word of English thast all cool.

on my way back to Europe and may reside in England depends on Financial things and stuff, and well im in the middle of it, i have 4 years of junk to carry with me

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date May 22 2009 0:23:11