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NormanKliman
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RE: the art of memorizing (in reply to minordjango)
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Hi minordjango, I don't understand a thing about the science of it, but I can offer a few observations. If you're trying to memorize an entire piece, it might be useful to assign names to falsetas or passages, sort of like the titles of the chapters of a book. Although it adds another piece of information, it makes for fewer puzzle pieces, if you know what I mean. Memorizing a single falseta seems to involve different stages. Initially, the idea is "linear," because you remember the falseta one note after another, and if you lose your place you have to go back to the beginning in order to reproduce it. At a later stage, it seems to be a different story. I notice that when I practice with a metronome and I lose my place on the guitar, the falseta goes on in my head, and I can pick it up again a few beats later (even returning in the middle of a fast run or something). Obviously, the key word here is overview, and the only way to get there is going to involve paying less attention to the tiny details that formed the basis of your initial understanding. People often use driving a car as a metaphor in this sense: When you first learn to drive, you concentrate on every detail of gas, brakes and clutch. After you've got some experience, you might drive home from work, lost in thought, before realizing that you're back in your neighborhood. So maybe a big part of remembering involves forgetting!
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Date Apr. 4 2009 0:35:54
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Ron.M
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RE: the art of memorizing (in reply to cathulu)
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A long time ago I went to see Paco Peña at his hotel. I had been talking with him after his part in a general folk music concert which was running nightly all that week and he very kindly offered to show me some basic stuff, since he could see I was very keen and in those days there was little or no information on Flamenco guitar to be had. I arrived at about 9.30 in the morning as arranged, but he was still asleep after being at a party the night before and I had to hammer on the door. Anyway, he had only been awake about 20 minutes and had played nothing on the guitar and was just yawning and drinking a cup of coffee to get himself awake while he let me try one of his guitars to assess how much I already knew, (which was next to nothing! ) I had been telling him about how I had seen Paco de Lucia playing a Malagueñas on a TV show a month or so ago and had been very impressed. He paused and thought for a bit and said that he sorta knew the Sabicas/Leucona Malagueña but hadn't played it in a while so wasn't sure if he could remember it all. So, still half asleep and not warmed up or anything, put down his coffee, picked up the guitar and played the whole thing through from beginning to end perfectly and masterfully, (including harmonics, tremolo and everything) with not even the tiniest fluff. IT'S TOTALLY SICKENING AND ANNOYING...ISN'T IT!!! cheers, Ron
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Date Apr. 5 2009 3:41:06
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minordjango
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RE: the art of memorizing (in reply to minordjango)
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Ron im not sure whats more sickening !!! you had a lesson with paco pena or his memory hehe, just envious, yeah i suppose it outlines all the above we have all different ways, and ive been playing a lot on say 20 years, its just my weak area (that and playing a bulerias !!! . i remeber reading a good artical from JOhn Duarte, mentioning various stages of memorizing, yet ah well i suppose i just gotta be patient !!! many of my previous students seem to memorize so well, maybe i have to many paco pena nights they have taken away my brain cells. paco gosh he is just well paco simply amazing , id dream to play his guitar, I personaly love the sound he makes. cheers all, here goes im going to memorize 4 bars on the next hour !!!
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Date Apr. 5 2009 5:39:02
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n85ae
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RE: the art of memorizing (in reply to minordjango)
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I used to have the same problem, but just kept at it. I think memory is something that if used a lot, is like a muscle and develops with use. I used to have a hard time to remember a single line of music, now I can generally memorize about a page in an evening or so. It's like a lot of guitar stuff, for example, nobody can just do tremelo no matter how much they want to at first. But if you just keep at it, eventually the little muscles get developed to the point where the fingers can do it. For tremelo I practice a bit, every single day, and it has been frustrating, but after a year or two, now I can do it reasonably. But it sure didn't take just a few days to master. The key thing, is just keep going back to it, and work slowly, and over time it will develop. Regards, Jeff quote:
im hopeless at memorizing, just wondering how you folks do it? i have have a lot of expierence at playing classical meaniing always with music in front of me, even if i had the music memorized !! i.e during a performance.
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Date Apr. 7 2009 11:59:51
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