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NormanKliman
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RE: For Ron (in reply to Arash)
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Thanks for posting that Arash, it's something I've been very interested in for the last few years. They're not LPs, they're 78rpm recordings. Some go back to 1908 and others are from the 1950s when the last "pizarra" (slate) recordings were made. The videos are especially cool because of the opening shot of the labels. There are usually two serial numbers there that identify the recordings. One is a catalogue reference and the other, called a "matriz" is the number that was assigned by the recording engineer when the disk was made. Sometimes the companies didn't release recordings immediately, so the catalogue references are practically meaningless, but the "matrices" show the order in which the recordings were made, which can be revealing. For example, there's a cartagenera of La Niña de los Peines where Ramón Montoya accompanies with toque de granaína with capo at fourth fret, the key of D sharp, which is way too high for her. You can hear her straining and, if you listen really close, after the first cante she says to him, "¡Está muy alta la guitarra!" Looking at the matrices, it turns out that this was the first recording of their first session together. After that, he moves the capo down to the first fret, then accompanies without capo, and ends up using toque de Levante with the capo at the fourth fret. It doesn't actually prove anything, but it's interesting because it looks like he thought she was going to sing higher. There's a big difference between D sharp and A sharp; the same as going from por medio to por arriba!
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Date May 16 2010 8:16:23
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Arash
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From: Iran (living in Germany)
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RE: For Ron (in reply to NormanKliman)
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Norman, thanks for the detailed and interesting information. Ed, hmm.....let me think about it few days.......but till then, the answer is No! for now Ron, nice story. I have one short and brutal one with my grandpa (actually my father told it to me, because i don't remember exactly) My Grandpa had a Radio. A very antique and expensive one at that time. This was his one and only. My father told me that Radio meant the world to him. So, we lived in 13th floor of an apartment tower at that time. Don't know how and why (till today this is a mystery for me and for everyone)....... but in a moment where nobody was watching, i took the Radio, went straight to the balcony and thrown it all the way down to the ground LOL . of course, it broke into smallest pieces possible. I was a kid, but this is kind of Psycho! I really don't know why i did that lol It was that day where i received my first (the one and only) slap in the face from my grandpa
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Date May 16 2010 11:27:15
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Ricardo
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RE: For Ron (in reply to Arash)
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Cool, I hope he has lots more, a variety of singers, good find! Ok aficionados lets get the low down on this common arguement. I mean I argue about this cante a lot with aficionados. Is this cante he sings here Granaina, media granaina, or Malagueñas? Now I always hear singers do what I consider media granaina as the first letra, then end with malagueña de mellizo, but so many times they just call it "malagueña", and I have many times argued with aficionados who say BOTH letras are malagueñas, just different styles. But when I hear granaina or media granaina by itself (minus the mellizo ending), it's the same melody. Anyway, HERE Jose Cepero is singing something I understand by the record label is supposed to be a mix of the two cantes in one ( and he does 2 letras the same style), but it SOUNDS to me like he starts off like a fandango naturales, then it turns into the typical "media granaina" melody so I think of it, (yet many aficionados might call "malagueña"). So what are opinions??? http://www.youtube.com/davidllv#p/u/25/Z-lCm6e4oy0 PS, how do you guys feel about the picado fest there Borull is doing in the intro and outro.
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Date May 17 2010 6:55:20
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