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RE: Yamaha Flamenco (in reply to pat_smith)
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So Pat, Since I build myself, and since I´ve worked with guitars, I have to ask you this: What is a handbuild guitar?????? Where is the limit? how many hands are allowed? how much machinery is accepted??? Who´s hands are we talking about? etc. All the Spanish factorys call their guitars handmade. As a guitarmaker, doing more or less everything by hand, including a handmade rosette, inlayed directly in the soundboard, I do find it weired that someone uses a word like handmade on a Yamaha instrument. I have nothing against Yamaha. Especially in the lower priceranges they make very good quality for money instruments. I´ve owned and played a steelstring and a nylon string guitars. Both exelent cheap guitars. I´ve played with Yamaha saxophones, clarinets, trumpets, Grand pianos, drum kits etc. And they were all good instruments, and some very expensive. A friend of mine lend me his Yamaha electric guitar. (The Carlos Santana, Les Paul clone) Very nice (but not a Les Paul!!). BUT.... I´ve never ever seen a Yamaha instrument with personality. Everything perfect, down to the smallest details, but something special, the thing that inspires you? Nope... I understand that 5k is a lot of money. But there are many very good guitarbuilders that would have made a very fine instrument for 3k...... I´m sorry if I sound like a grumpy old f###, but I had to write this. I, of course hope that the guitar is a wonderfull instrument that will make you happy for years to come. Anders
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Date Aug. 6 2004 15:41:24
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RE: Yamaha Flamenco (in reply to pat_smith)
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Hi Pat, Of course you passed the "I love handmade guitars test", which of course is not important. The important thing is to play and be happy. I wish you the best with your flamenco experience. When you´ve reached some level, buy yourself a "encuentro" video. They are very good (and expensive) This with the "handmade" has something to do with the way we use words. In the end they tend to loose their meaning, and then we cannot communicate anymore, and I´m very confused about the meaning of exactly this word. What does it mean? and where are the limits. Is a guitar build by a famous luthier a handmade guitar, even though some employee has made the neck, the bridge, bended the wood, inlayed the rosette, varnished the guitar???? Is the guitar made by a Spanish factory a handmade guitar? (They even call them artesan) Well, obviously all guitars have had touch with hands during the process, but where is the limit? I do not have a webpage yet. I´m new on the scene, But I´ll attach a lousy picture of my latest, a very wellplaying and sounding (and very handmade) negra. Enjoy Anders
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Date Aug. 7 2004 17:59:32
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Ron.M
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RE: Yamaha Flamenco (in reply to Guest)
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Anders, To be "cerebral" about this, to me a "handmade" guitar is a guitar that has captured the personality of the maker in the sound. I have a Bernal medium range model that I bought from Jim (Opfer) last year. This guy Bernal in my opinion is a serious guitar builder. Whether the guitar was made by himself or family under his supervision, is not important. Amir Haddad, the guitarist on the "Understanding Flamenco" Didactic CD asked me.. "What kind of guitar do you play yourself?" I said "Bernal" He said " Ah....de Jerez" That said it for me! To me it's a very "honest" guitar, quite basic, rather difficult to play actually, but I think it's mainly my fault, due to my familiarity with Madrid based Ramirez and other guitars, but the guitar is definitely better than me and my ability, and has that "dry" Jerez sound, which is getting better the more I play it. I'm struggling to control it's potential, which I know in the hands of better players would be terrific. Good guitars don't make you play any better, just inspire you. cheers Ron
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Date Aug. 7 2004 20:49:58
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