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Warped top 20y old Manuel Bellido
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Ricardo
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RE: Warped top 20y old Manuel Bellido (in reply to cathulu)
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Wow, you have got a sharp break angle compared to my Raimundo 145 from ano 1999. I am just catching on to this stuff, so don't assume that means anything bad! Mine is shallower, and if I want to lower the action of my guitar it will be shallower still. I bet your guitar projects a lot of volume! That break angle may be the reason you also have a higher arch then my guitar also. Sorry to hijack your threard, but Is it possible to modify my Raimundo to get a similar break and also lower my action at the same time? Hey, I have played and seen a lot of guitars, and I would say the break angle itself is not making a HUGE difference in sound volume. My louder guitars actually have a very shallow break angle. Some guitars have a low bridge but normal action. I have seen guitars VERY STEEP with the angle, but if they have a low buzzy action, they dont' project good volume. So the action is more the thing than the break angle. The thing to worry about is if you have NO more break angle left, you CAN"T lower the action. And that is not good if you don't have a low buzzy action already. If you want to or need to go lower, then yeah you must fill the holes and have them re drilled and lower angle. A student of mine had this done to his guitar with EXCELLENT results. Ricardo
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Date Jan. 31 2008 17:13:26
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Ricardo
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RE: Warped top 20y old Manuel Bellido (in reply to Anders Eliasson)
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Anders2: Yeah, a slight (!) raise in action would be pleasant, but I'm afraid of putting more pressure on the top ... quote:
The 6mm fingerboard gives you a chance of changing things. You can have the fingerboard shaved and refretted. If you do 5mm all the way, you can lower the action 1mm and if you do 6mm at the nut and 5mmat the 12th. fret, you can lower the action around 2mm. Since he wants to raise the action wouldn't it be better, he either shaved more, or, shaved and left it as is? Again, that exaggerated drawing showing warping, that is not how the guitar looks in the pics to me. It looks rather normal, arch from the solera the orginal design and set up. Maybe the guitar is a bit dry. How about add some humidity and see how things change? If the action is too low, try harder tension strings or a different brand, BEFORE you go shaving the ebony board!
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Date Feb. 3 2008 20:01:08
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Ricardo
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RE: Warped top 20y old Manuel Bellido (in reply to Anders Eliasson)
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ORIGINAL: Anders Eliasson quote:
Since he wants to raise the action wouldn't it be better, he either shaved more, or, shaved and left it as is? Ricardo, I dont understand... Ed. Any good luthier can do this. If they dont understand flamenco guitars, You´ll have to explain what you want. Sorry. I mean, what you described sounds like a way to maintain the action he has now over the fingerboard, while being able to lower the bone. Sounded like his action over the board was too low. If he shaved the ebony board down and refretted, he would be in effect "raising" the action. But then to lower the bone would be back to where he was before? So all I was saying is that if he wants a cleaner sound, he COULD shave the fingerboard, but then not lower the bone, or if the idea is to lower the bone AND raise the action over the fingerboard, he might have to have less than 5mm of ebony, meaning shave more then you suggested. Make sense? Also, if the ebony gets shaved un evenly, like more at the 12th fret as you meantioned, won't the intonation get messed up? Or does that get worked out when the new frets go in? Ricardo
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Date Feb. 5 2008 2:51:13
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Ricardo
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RE: Warped top 20y old Manuel Bellido (in reply to edguerin)
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ORIGINAL: edguerin cathulu, Ricardo, yes of course I've tried the obvious. Higher tension didn't do much, but thinner gauge did help a bit. I'm now using Savarez Corum Alliance 500 (normal tension trebles, high tension bass). I haven't tried augmenting the humidity yet (52% here)... Yes, of course my drawing is exaggerated. It's supposed to be. I think that in the long run, Anders' idea is probably the best. Do you think that's work any decent luthier could do (i.e. with mainly classic guitar experience)? Or should I wait, and take in the guitar to Jesus Bellido when I'm in Granada this fall? Hard tension did not remove buzzing problem? Hmm. How about try a small shim under the bone. That should stop the buzzing, if you dont' mind the bone a little higher. I mean that whole shaving the ebony board is a big deal job to me, and irreversable you know. It will raise the action and make room for you to adjust the bone yeah, but again I dont' see your guitar as in such deplorable condition to warrent that type of job...but that is just me. Ricardo
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Date Feb. 5 2008 3:03:00
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