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Ron.M

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Fast Guitars? 
I just heard a bit of a trailer for a program the BBC is about to do, where they challenge some violin makers to complete a playable violin within 24 hours!!
Looking forward to seeing that!
Quite a challenge I would think, although from what I've been reading, I reckon the Conde Brothers got that one solved ages ago.
Will keep you posted when I hear more.

cheers

Ron
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Escribano

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RE: Fast Guitars? (in reply to Ron.M) 
I think they started tonight - I heard a bit of it on Radio 4. They are copying Lord Wilton's violin but it's clearly a fiddle.

I thank you!

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Apr. 1 2004 20:31:48
 
Ron.M

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RE: Fast Guitars? (in reply to Escribano) 
Simon,
I can't find a reference to it in either this or next week's Radio Times.
Do you know what the programme's called and when it's on?
(BTW, note the "proper" spelling of "programme", which is essential and expected when one is referring to the BBC )

By the way, here's a BBC programme that I think Mike would interested...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio4/science/heresone.shtml

Just click "listen again" to hear the full programme.

cheers

Ron
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Apr. 1 2004 21:04:01
 
Escribano

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RE: Fast Guitars? (in reply to Ron.M) 
It was Front Row I heard this evening. "Tommy Pearson explores the art of violin-making….."

http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio4/arts/frontrow/

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Apr. 1 2004 21:18:28
 
Miguel de Maria

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RE: Fast Guitars? (in reply to Ron.M) 
Memory blocks while performing have always been my worst enemy, though I seem to have more or less conquered it this last year :). Though I will read this article. One time I forgot the second note of a song.
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Apr. 1 2004 21:28:58
 
Ron.M

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RE: Fast Guitars? (in reply to Escribano) 
Thanks Simon.
I thought the finished violin sounded superb! Amazing!

Mike... it's not just a reading article, be sure to click on the "listen again" to actually get the program(me)!

Ron
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Apr. 1 2004 21:45:06
 
Ron.M

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RE: Fast Guitars? (in reply to Escribano) 
One of the makers said that normally a maker just working on his own would take about 200 hours to complete an instrument.
So, say working a 40 hour week that would mean he could produce 9 instruments a year (one every 5 weeks), allowing 7 weeks holidays.
Later on in the program, he says a modern hand made violin would be somewhere between £10k to £20k ($16k to $32k at "normal" exchange rates).
That would make for a turnover between £90k to £180k pa. ($144k to $288k pa.)
Seems not a bad job all things considered!


Ron
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Apr. 2 2004 9:20:12
 
Escribano

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RE: Fast Guitars? (in reply to Ron.M) 
quote:

So, say working a 40 hour week that would mean he could produce 9 instruments a year (one every 5 weeks),


A luthier on his own probably turns out about 1 to 1.5 guitar a month for £2000-3000.

I think I'll look in to making a violin next. Less wood but more curves

Roy Coutnall does plans and a book on the subject http://www.guitarplans.co.uk/violinplans.htm

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Apr. 2 2004 11:33:47
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RE: Fast Guitars? (in reply to Escribano) 
Andalucian luthiers (guitarreros) have to fit in borracheras and juergas as well as holidays. Your estimate is way too optimistic

Sean
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Apr. 3 2004 21:59:10
 
Miguel de Maria

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RE: Fast Guitars? (in reply to Ron.M) 
A luthier with power tools could make 1 guitar a week.
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Apr. 3 2004 23:18:23
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RE: Fast Guitars? (in reply to Ron.M) 
>A luthier with power tools could make 1 guitar a week.<

Depending on the amount of power tools, he/she can make more, BUT

IMHO, if you want to make good instruments, you´ll need time to think things over. A good guitar is not just pieces of wood glued together with strings on. The difference in two soundboards, that look and weigh almost the same, can be very different, and might even need two different bracing patterns.

I´m on number 3, and I use some 250 hours including finish (I think). This I can probably do in around 200 hours with more experience. But I´m not going to even try to do it faster than that, because I know that I´ll lose the point. Making good instruments is a lifestyle, kinda obsession, and that´s what makes it interesting. You know to get away from this idea of messuring everything in values as stupid as money and time, and instead living a value called quality. That´s what life should be about!!!!

The sun is shining on the mountain tops outside Granada. It´s sunday, it´s extremely silent. I´m going upstairs to prepare a back for gluing, and maybe play a bit of bulerías on the new guitar I strung up yesterday (very nice, I´ll post a foto soon)
Life is beautifull.

Anders
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Apr. 4 2004 7:51:39
 
Miguel de Maria

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RE: Fast Guitars? (in reply to Ron.M) 
Anders another perspective is it's good to make a lot of guitars, because then you start to understand all the variables involved and how they interact with each other. From what I've heard, all the great luthiers had a way of understanding how a particular top would work, what they needed to do to achieve their sound, and of course they have to pay attention and have incredible patience, but without making hundreds of guitar it seems impossible to really understand how it works. The analogy to me, would be, if you play a scale with incredible attention five times, is that better than playing it with good attention 100 times?
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RE: Fast Guitars? (in reply to Miguel de Maria) 
Well, of course, everything equal, you´d know more after 100 than after 10. But funny enough, I´ve seen builders reach a level a lot higher on number 20, than others on number 200.
But I think life is like that all over.

Anders
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