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what typifies the jerez sound?
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Pimientito
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From: Marbella
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 RE: what typifies the jerez sound? (in reply to henrym3483)
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Henry
This kinda bugs me too cos i hear it all the time. "This guy is very Jerezano."
" That's really Morón". "His style is very granaina" ...and I live here and i cant define it.
Someone(who i wont name) said that you can tell if the guitarist is from Granada because they don't know how to play Bulerias
...before he was nearly stabbed to death, he explained that to his ear a bulerias should sound like they play it in Jerez and it is true that the granada players play with less (for want of a better word) bounce in the compas.
I think Ricardo is right. You gotta listen. Diego de Gastor had these kind of simple melodies (musically, not technically) in the bass incorporated into the compas, almost like the bass was singing a song. Generally there are not a lot of modern chords in that style.That to me is Morón style. That guy Carlos on the sanlucar course that you saw was great in this style. Also having listened to a lot of compas recordings from morón, they do use unusual accents.
Jerez style would be guys like Paco Cepero and of course Moraito that have a very strong bounce in the compas and often group in sixes which goes more like 12,1,2,3,4, 6,7,8,9,10.
The well known 12,3,7,8,10 accent to me is not typically jerez although of course it is incorporated. Jazz chords and falsetas majestically flowing over a dozen compas before arriving back en tiempo are not typically Jerez either. As for tempo, well manuel Parilla plays bulerias very fast but some of the melodies sound better slowed down. Some of them are simply copied songs!
If anyone has a more definative explanation of Jerez compas, its a question i would like to know the answer to as well.
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Date Sep. 11 2007 22:38:21
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Ricardo
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RE: what typifies the jerez sound? (in reply to Pimientito)
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I think it is real subtle and about the swing. You can generalize, but nowadays it is more mixed up. Lots of folks catch on the the jerez feel only when playing bulerias. Granada when doing tangos, cadiz when doing tanguillo or alegrias, etc.
THe generalization I would make regarding the old timers Pre PDL generation, is that moron style is more down beat in 6's, jerez more up beat in 6's, and everyone else is 12's, talking about accents. The singing also. Joselero sings on the beat, Terremoto/Paquera etc sing off the beat. That off beat feel really gives the swing feel and why I bet folks prefer it or think of it as THE way to do bulerias. Other styles in Utera/Sevilla are not so rhythmically sharp.
Moron guitar=jing bum bum biggity BUM bum. jing CHAKA CHAKA CHAKA BUM!
Jerez guitar= Taka kaTAkabiggity BAhka. kaTAka brrrAHP brrrAHP brrrAHP!
I heard a modern moron guitarist that was doing a lot of very jerezano things unlike the older generation. And then you have young jerezanos doing things like Paco, Tomatito, even Vicente. So now it is not so clear as the old days.
Ricardo
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Date Sep. 12 2007 1:51:32
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jerez buleria is in my eyes pretty unique, and for want of a better word has an "intangible feel".