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n85ae

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Palmas Loop Request

Is there somewhere on the site, a simple palmas loop with the speed
at 120?

Thanks, Jeff

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duende

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RE: Palmas Loop Request (in reply to n85ae)

what palo do you nead? i got lots of them

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Jun. 14 2007 17:22:25

n85ae

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RE: Palmas Loop Request (in reply to n85ae)

bulerias

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Jun. 14 2007 17:43:42

duende

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RE: Palmas Loop Request (in reply to n85ae)

you wont find any 120bpm buleria. more like 190bpm if its slow
120 is alegria or solea por buleria

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Jun. 14 2007 20:12:43

guitarbuddha

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RE: Palmas Loop Request (in reply to n85ae)

Hi there I use WinDVD to play compas tracks at half to twice speed which moves in five percent increments.

Windows media player will play at half speed.

Duende I think that a buleria falseta played at 120 is a buleria falseta being practiced and does not become an alegria.

D.

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Jun. 14 2007 21:53:48

Estevan

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RE: Palmas Loop Request (in reply to n85ae)

You can get one here:

http://www.flamenco-forum.de/samples.html

(Well, it's not palmas, but cajón. Does that help?)

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Jun. 14 2007 22:03:00

duende

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RE: Palmas Loop Request (in reply to guitarbuddha)

quote:

Duende I think that a buleria falseta played at 120 is a buleria falseta being practiced and does not become an alegria.

Thats not what i meant.

if your gona practice a buleria at 120 why not use a metronome. its tooo slow to feel and sound like a buleria.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Jun. 14 2007 22:06:42

n85ae

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RE: Palmas Loop Request (in reply to n85ae)

Well, actually I do use a metronome all the time these days, and it is helping a
lot. The problem with the metronome, is if I just practice compas I tend to lose
track of what beat I'm on. If I practice a Falseta, then of course it's much easier
to know where I am.

I could not possible learn something at 180 or faster, I need to learn at 120
then once I figure something out then I can go faster. 120 seems a reasonable
speed, since that's works out to 4 - 1/8 notes per second.

I'm sticking to the slow and accurate, rather than fast and sloppy method I previously used.

Thanks!

Jeff.

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Jun. 15 2007 4:24:33

edgar884

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RE: Palmas Loop Request (in reply to n85ae)

I THINK THIS IS WHAT YOU WANT

http://www.foroflamenco.com/upfiles/803/Nl31043.wma

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Jun. 15 2007 5:30:49

Ricardo

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RE: Palmas Loop Request (in reply to n85ae)

quote:

The problem with the metronome, is if I just practice compas I tend to lose
track of what beat I'm on. If I practice a Falseta, then of course it's much easier
to know where I am.

Hmm, I think you need to learn to ingrain a "pattern" of compas, or rhythm guitar strumming, that is very clearly broken down, as if it IS a falseta. Better that then improvising your rhythm strumming, and "shooting" for the accents. So metronome is still the best way to go as Duende was saying. Think like this, if you properly filling up each beat or space in between, relative the metronome click, you ARE "keeping track" of the beat you are on. If you add or subract any strum techniques, or leave too much or too little space, then you will be off. Also rushing and dragging are common problems. A compas loop won't help you learn to keep track of each little detail. So if the metronome is working for you for falsetas where you add up the notes, it should work the same for rhythm strumming patterns.

Ricardo

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Jun. 15 2007 8:26:35

JasonMcGuire

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RE: Palmas Loop Request (in reply to n85ae)

Damn Ricardo,
You are the spitting image of Gerardo Nunez. The resemblence is uncanny.

Good advice, do what Ricardo says and you will be fine. I have found in my experience that students often think they are playing their falsetas in compas when they in fact are not. Just because you fit some notes in between 1 and 12 doesn't mean that it is in compas. Make sure you are playing both falsetas and "compas" accurately. Everytime you practice something wrong you are reinforcing what is wrong. Learning to play compas always takes students longer to learn than falsetas, but once a student learns to play "compas" their falsetas groove better. Compas is a groove. A beat. A feel......meaning you have to feel it. Notice Tomatito doing the chicken neck thing when he plays......that is feeling it. Now I am not saying you need to give yourself whiplash to play in rhythm, but moving your body with the tempo in a natural, unforced way can really help. It loosens a player up. You are essentially dancing in your chair. It can have another very nice side affect besides helping you play in time better.......Stage presence.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Jun. 15 2007 9:33:56

duende

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RE: Palmas Loop Request (in reply to n85ae)

a loop is more fun than a metronome but you can give the metronome a little "life" by setting it on triplets accenting the first eight-note of the triplet

that way you´ll get the 12 and 3 kind of like knuckles on the table thing

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Jun. 15 2007 13:26:59

n85ae

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RE: Palmas Loop Request (in reply to Ricardo)

Thanks everybody! I actually have been listening, and it's helpfull.
I have quite a few example's thanks to Ricardo, Henrik, etc. to look
at.

When I work on something with the metronome, and something written
then it's pretty easy to keep track where I'm at. It's the getting it ingrained
part, that's just taking time. It's pretty clear that the solution is practice.

The "Flamenco Master" metronome is ok to. Just the computer room is
next to the kids bedroom, and I can't play guitar there at night.

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Jun. 15 2007 14:27:14

karphyl

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From: Indianapolis, IN

RE: Palmas Loop Request (in reply to n85ae)

Try www.compas-flamenco.com . This is a pretty good tool which is a metronome plpus palmas, and you can adjust the tempo.

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Jun. 15 2007 17:29:14

Estevan

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RE: Palmas Loop Request (in reply to n85ae)

quote:

The "Flamenco Master" metronome is ok to. Just the computer room is
next to the kids bedroom, and I can't play guitar there at night.

You can use the Flamenco Master and Audacity (free audio software) to make yourself a practice CD of any compas+speed combination you want. Then you don't have to sit in front of the computer.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Jun. 15 2007 18:23:26