Welcome to one of the most active flamenco sites on the Internet. Guests can read most posts but if you want to participate click here to register.
This site is dedicated to the memory of Paco de Lucía, Ron Mitchell, Guy Williams, Linda Elvira, Philip John Lee, Craig Eros, Ben Woods, David Serva and Tom Blackshear who went ahead of us.
We receive 12,200 visitors a month from 200 countries and 1.7 million page impressions a year. To advertise on this site please contact us.
|
|
|
Mixed Palos ?!
|
You are logged in as Guest
|
|
Users viewing this topic: none
|
|
Login  | |
|
   
Ricardo
Posts: 14889
Joined: Dec. 14 2004
From: Washington DC
|
 RE: Mixed Palos ?! (in reply to Arash)
|
|
|
It is all about the cante. If a singer decides to sing a fandangos during a Solea, or bulerias, then you COULD call it "fandangos por solea" or "Fandango por buleria", etc. But nothing wrong with just sticking with the title "bulerias" or "solea" if that is the majority of what is played or sang. Guitarwise you simply have to know the chords that accomp the melody, yet maintain the compas feeling. It is not about an "ending" or something like that.
Tangos and bulerias have totally different compas feelings so you would not really mix them, or use a name like "tangos por bulerias". Although there are some experimental pieces that allow the tangos to "swing" in a way that can easily slip into the normal bulerias feel. Like Jose Merce's "Pueblecito Mio". On the album cover they simply call it "bulerias" but in the beginning it is tangos they sing and play. I have heard this done a lot.
One other thing is it is possible to sing a tangos letra as bulerias, but again, calling it "tangos por bulerias" is not necessary. The reverse is possible as well, singing bulerias letra as tangos. It is really about the MELODY itself, which ties directly to the compas, which tells you the name of the song form.
So listen to some cante, and you will catch on.
Ricardo
|
|
|
|
REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |
Date Mar. 19 2007 14:28:50
 |
|
Ricardo
Posts: 14889
Joined: Dec. 14 2004
From: Washington DC
|
|
RE: Mixed Palos ?! (in reply to Guest)
|
|
|
quote:
If I go somewhere else, say Japan, I usually ask around about what the current rate is for teaching.
Well what if it is $11 an hour or something? You would lower your price for the sake of the market? Surely you would not mind UPING your price to keep with the market. I mean, for a special guitar lesson $10 extra should not make or break your decision as the student. Totally true though that the "other guy" should not be butting in your busness with the teacher. Probably the other guy wanted to charge $50 for his own classes, and looked at Paco as "under cutting" his business, although unknowingly. But at the same time, like you meantioned Japan, you would be asking the guy FROM NY, to charge less than he normally does, just because of WHERE he is teaching (NM economy?). So is it fair for a guitarst to charge more than other, not because of his level or experience, but because of his own personal living expense??? That is sort of what you are saying by telling him to "butt out" of P. Fernandez business.
As a teacher what I do, and this is just me what I think is fair, is I charge per lesson, and make my time a bit flexable depending on the students level. Some guys need some time, almost 2hrs to review or learn new material, especially if they play long or complex pieces. For others 30 minutes is too long. They get burnt out quick or we are just using lesson time practicing. I certainly don't have a stop watch going and say "Ok, times up unless you want pay for extra time....". That way arguements about money can be balanced by time.
Ricardo
|
|
|
|
REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |
Date Mar. 23 2007 3:52:57
|
|
Ricardo
Posts: 14889
Joined: Dec. 14 2004
From: Washington DC
|
|
RE: Mixed Palos ?! (in reply to Guest)
|
|
|
quote:
Don't you think there is more than one thing to consider? For example, experience of local teachers, prices of local teachers, local economy, job security....etc.
I know I will charge $30 instead of $40 if I know a student is more likely to take long term lessons.
I would not consider that stuff if I was just passing through town. I mean the local stuff. I mean if Tomatito stopped by and offered a workshop, I would send my students there, no matter if he charged $20 or $100. Now if he decided to settle down next door and charge $20 for lessons, then I might want to talk to him about it. 
I personally don't give a special price for a student that may be "long term" or short term. I don't accept students to "pay in advance" for a block of lessons. The reason is, I need flexablility as a PERFORMER, and I want to extend the same flexability to the students. I cant be available every weekend. A serious student has no problem with this. Usually, folks pay in advance or offer too, because they want to motivate THEMSELVES to show up. Usually, those students don't stick with it or practice at home, and eventually quit. Great that I have their money, but that is not why I teach.
I have weekly students and I have students that call me up once every 6 months or so, when they are in the mood. Like I said before, I make the TIME flexable. Regular students tend to have more material to go over than the occasinal drop bys. So they get more time. For me that works out well... for them too.
If you already know the teacher and how he teaches, then you weigh that stuff, you are totally right, it might not be worth an extra $10. And that is up to you. Again, you may want to think about "tiping" as an option for your more "giving" teachers. 
Ricardo
|
|
|
|
REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |
Date Mar. 23 2007 4:15:20
|
|
 New Messages |
 No New Messages |
 Hot Topic w/ New Messages |
 Hot Topic w/o New Messages |
 Locked w/ New Messages |
 Locked w/o New Messages |
|
Post New Thread
Reply to Message
Post New Poll
Submit Vote
Delete My Own Post
Delete My Own Thread
Rate Posts
|
|
|
Forum Software powered by ASP Playground Advanced Edition 2.0.5
Copyright © 2000 - 2003 ASPPlayground.NET |
7.788086E-02 secs.
|
Printable Version
