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Fake or true Hermanos Conde on E bay?
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RE: Fake or true Hermanos Conde on E... (in reply to Patrick)
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The Half Moon (Media Luna) headstock is used only on the high-end Conde's. If only this were true But I have seen a row of media luna mastiles waiting to be assembled into guitars, in a factory in Valencia. Sean
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Date Jul. 26 2006 17:14:43
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vasileos
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RE: Fake or true Hermanos Conde on E... (in reply to ChrisAudio)
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I agree with Tom. If the guitar plays good and sounds good, then the only other thing that matters is the player. Thousands of guitarists use Martin, Gibson, Taylor, Santa Cruz and Collings guitars and they are all factory made. They sound great. What we (the audience) love first is the music created on the guitar. As guitar players we get caught up in the hype about guitars, this one is better because so and so played it, etc. If you pick up the guitar and you like the feel, playability and sound, then it's a great guitar FOR YOU. It doesn't matter what others think, it's all very subjective anyway. Not long ago I played a Ricardo Sanchis 1 F extra flamenco blanca. That was a great guitar. It's sound was fantastic- to my ears. I have played a few others, a fantastic Barba blanca, Reyes and Reyes Hijo, Gerundino and Conde. The Ricardo Sanchis was as nice as most of the others, but that's my ears and hands, not any of yours. So, buying by label is not a good way to go. Buying off ebay doesn't really give one an opportunity to try the guitar first unless the seller agrees to give a trial period which is very rare. Buying from a private party or dealer and trying the instrument first is better. Not all guitars are equal to any individual player, no matter if factory or luthier made. Again, people are paying ridiculously large amounts of money for vintage factory made Fender guitars all the time. They like them, they sound like they want them to sound, and they play well.
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Date Jul. 26 2006 19:34:35
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tk
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RE: Fake or true Hermanos Conde on E... (in reply to Guest)
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nealf, Being documented on other forums by knowledgeable people is really not relevant because they are still opinions and not necessarily facts. As to your comment about the Devoe and Aaron Green production, who make very nice guitars, being 20-25 guitars a year has a reason too. These guys make all the process A-Z in their shop vs. the Conde brothers outsource the finishing (French Polish) part of the process to a third party. Would you say that because the french polish on a guitar is made by XYZ therefore the guitar is not made by the Conde brothers? I doubt! First, if you really want do the math, here is a fact. The Conde brothers at Felipe V shop have a 3th guy who help them build the guitars along with the 2 main brothers. They make an average of 75 guitars a year (among the 3 of them) for their high end instruments (including the A26, AF25, AF25R, Felipe V and Domingo Esteso Reedition). Guitar Salon Int'l (being their major and the biggest retailer in the world) sells about 20 - 25 high End Conde's per year, therefore the rest of the 50 guitars (75 -25) are floating around in the rest of the world with other distributors. How many of new Conde AF25R do you think you can have in U.S.? There are only 2 major retailers who can sell you: GSI in LA. and Luthier in New York. I think the math makes total sense. I think we both agree that it is rare to find other retailers who can sell you a BRAND NEW Conde. They are probably old/used ones (other the 50 new guitars/year avalaible) because these brothers were around long time ago even before they openned their own shop. I own a Devoe Negra as well and I can tell you that Lester makes the guitar completely by himself including the finishing (usually Lacquer and not French). Thanks for chatting, TK
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Date Jul. 27 2006 18:31:18
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