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devilhand

 

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Pulgar free stroke? 
At 2:04. All free strokes? Anyone seen such fluidity and speed?
Thumb movement comes from the wrist. Still so fast.



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Stu

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RE: Pulgar free stroke? (in reply to devilhand) 
Utter garbage
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RE: Pulgar free stroke? (in reply to Stu) 
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It’s Alegrias what did you expect? An Alegrias solo from the 1950’s to be a soul searching experience? 😆

In the 1950’s this is cornball solo playing, but overall this guy seems pretty cool 🆒



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Stu

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RE: Pulgar free stroke? (in reply to estebanana) 
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It’s Alegrias what did you expect?




How dare you!! I love alegrias! but this solo Cornball showpiece?! No siree. The only bit i enjoyed was his creepy smile
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estebanana

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RE: Pulgar free stroke? (in reply to devilhand) 
I know a professional dancer who has a fantastic Alegrias. I once asked her it it was her favorite baile, she said, no it’s way too happy, Siguiriya is my fav. 😂

I once complained to David Serva that I saw a movie with a clip of Sabicas doing that corny up and down the fingerboard rasgueado. I said that’s just showy and goofy. He waved his hand at me, said “everyone’s got to eat man”

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Stu

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RE: Pulgar free stroke? (in reply to estebanana) 
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that corny up and down the fingerboard rasgueado


Haha! that thing! Urgh. Think that's come up on the foro a few times. I also hate the showpiece multi golpe rumba thing. "Let's impress these idiots by rapping on the guitar furiously with every strum"
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RE: Pulgar free stroke? (in reply to devilhand) 
It is not that fast. He is copying niño Ricardo. The pulgar is apoyando and ligado mixed, played way too close to the bridge compared to standard.

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Utter garbage



Talking about red light district and Arthur Rubinstein. Like Che he was a womanizer. Mr. Rubenstein said once:

''It is said of me that when I was young I divided my time impartially among wine, women and song,'' he remarked afterward. ''I deny this categorically. Ninety percent of my interests were women.''

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Mark2

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RE: Pulgar free stroke? (in reply to estebanana) 
A lot of soloists of that era did the same rasgueado. Juan Serrano likely did, Mariano Cordoba definitely did, Sabicas, Carlos Montoya, and no doubt lots more. Same thing with Saeta with the crossed bass strings, the zambras, Malaguena by E.L.(PdL included), all that stuff. That was what many soloists of that era did. It worked for the gigs they played, which were often not in Spain, and tailored for their audience.

Ridiculing what guys in the 40's 50's, and 60's did seems misguided, or at least unimformed, especially considering most all of us will never play at the level of these old pros.

I mentioned in another thread I was studying some Parilla stuff. No one really plays like him today. He's got this little tango falseta where he's playing picado while doing sycopated bass notes with his thumb. Funky as hell. Took me a few days to get it, and I can't yet do it at tempo with any sense of security. He would definitely be considered old style, but he was a great player.

We need to respect these old guys, and put their playing in context. Old guy out!




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I once complained to David Serva that I saw a movie with a clip of Sabicas doing that corny up and down the fingerboard rasgueado. I said that’s just showy and goofy. He waved his hand at me, said “everyone’s got to eat man”
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Richard Jernigan

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RE: Pulgar free stroke? (in reply to Mark2) 
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We need to respect these old guys, and put their playing in context. Old guy out!


Yes.

Thanks Devilhand, for posting Gomez's alegrias. He plays better than I remembered.

RNJ
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Stu

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RE: Pulgar free stroke? (in reply to Richard Jernigan) 
I'm being deliberately negative. I got no beef with gomez.
Not my cup of tea, but hey, better than I'll ever be. Respect to the old dudes.✊️ they sold cheap tricks sometimes sure, but I'm sure they worked incredibly hard and I respect that.
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