Seguiriyas with a metronome

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orsonw

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From: London

Seguiriyas with a metronome

Hi

I have a question about practicing Seguiriyas with a metronome/foot tap. What is optimal?
? A metronome click on each: 1&2&3&a4&a5&
Adding a foot tap 1,2,3,4,5

? Another option is metronome half time giving click on bold only.
1&2&3&a4&a5&

E.g. When playing for baile and time is rubato I feel 1,2,3,4,5 and foot tap on those, but sometimes time is straighter and I find an even foot tap same as half metronome keeps me steady, and internally I feel 1,2,3,4,5.
Some falsetas it helps me to use the even half time foot tap and feel 1,2,3,4,5. But I'm wondering if this even foot tap is a bad habit?

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silddx

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RE: Seguiriyas with a metronome (in reply to orsonw)

Not sure I have anything useful to say but the 5a should be 5& really, although I don't suppose it really matters and I'm being pedantic :)

You could do the reverse of what you do for Solea perhaps?

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Aug. 30 2023 20:43:01

orsonw

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RE: Seguiriyas with a metronome (in reply to silddx)

quote:

ORIGINAL: silddx

Not sure I have anything useful to say but the 5a should be 5& really, although I don't suppose it really matters and I'm being pedantic :)

Yes, typo now corrected.

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Aug. 30 2023 21:06:39

kitarist

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RE: Seguiriyas with a metronome (in reply to orsonw)

quote:

? A metronome click on each: 1&2&3&a4&a5a
Adding a foot tap 1,2,3,4,5

? Another option is metronome half time giving click on bold only.
1&2&3&a4&a5a

Another option is metronome click on just 1, 2, 3, 4, and 5. For this you need to define a combination pattern (typically not possible).

However, it can be done with an online metronome, here: https://www.metronomeonline.com/ as I just discovered.

Go to the setting on the left, and define this pattern with "12/8 time signature" (the 12/8 time signature means nothing in practice; it just lets you have enough rhythmic pattern 'blocks' displayed for you to modify the beat pattern properly).

Then go to the details of the pattern and define it like this below. Play with tempo with this setup; I have it at 72 here, which might be slightly fast, but it is in the ballpark. I think high 50s or in the 60s should be closer.

To stop and stat it an end of seguiriyas pattern, you have to stop it just before the 5 since it has a bit of a lag. (Or, failing that, latch on with your ear to the beginning of the pattern when it gets to that point upon restarting).

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orsonw

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RE: Seguiriyas with a metronome (in reply to kitarist)

quote:

Another options is metronome click on just 1, 2, 3, 4, and 5.

This can be done with an online metronome, here: https://www.metronomeonline.com/ as I just discovered.

Thank you. Similar to using a flamenco metronome (e.g. https://acompas.org/siguiriya) but with metronomeonline you can have no training wheels in between 1,2,3,4,5.

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Aug. 30 2023 21:27:35

davewphx

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RE: Seguiriyas with a metronome (in reply to orsonw)

Thanks for all this info guys I was recently wondering the same now that I've been working on seguiriya

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Aug. 30 2023 21:53:34

silddx

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RE: Seguiriyas with a metronome (in reply to orsonw)

I use the metrotimer app. Easy to set up a Siguiriyas on that. There are some good ones on YT too.

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Aug. 30 2023 22:12:02

RobF

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RE: Seguiriyas with a metronome (in reply to kitarist)

Thanks for the link. Handy.

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Aug. 30 2023 23:11:55

Ricardo

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RE: Seguiriyas with a metronome (in reply to orsonw)

Proof it is odd meter. Tap your foot to 7/8 and 5/8. Nothing wrong to train yourself on odd meter phrasing for a while.

One method is tap a straight beat so that every other measure of either of those, the foot is not on the accents (up beats). If you put the two together you will notice a straight 6/4, where accent 4 is the odd one only (up beat accent between 4 and 5). It is not a big deal after a while. It is only a “bad habit” if it allows you to get lost when other syncopation is happening with dancer footwork.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Aug. 31 2023 11:46:33