Influence of guitar on cante

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DavRom

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From: De camino a Sevilla

Influence of guitar on cante

interesting comments starting at 10:00

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Ricardo

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RE: Influence of guitar on cante (in reply to DavRom)

We talked about this stuff in the past, look up minera Taranta and Rondeña. Just to point out, he accompanied many malagueñas and granainas por Taranta or Granaina which I always thought was odd. Los Chiquitos copied the original of Chacon and young Paco also plays in F# like Montoya. I think the recordings are what finally codified the art of accompaniment....that being the huge body of work done by Melchor and N. Ricardo served as the model that stands today.

The Rondeña tuning is used finally more often in modern times, Montoya only recorded one cante for a female singer using that tuning, it was a Levantica, normally we use Taranta or Minera key for that as it is in the cante de las Minas family.

I have to say as much as I like this guys presentation, that part at 15:27 I was anticipating with my dark humor side, very satisfying. (After demo of Rondeña he talks a long time about players up to Sabicas then tried to play Farruca forgetting to retune!

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Apr. 23 2016 16:20:57

koenie17

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RE: Influence of guitar on cante (in reply to Ricardo)

quote:

I was anticipating with my dark humor side, very satisfying. (After demo of Rondeña he talks a long time about players up to Sabicas then tried to play Farruca forgetting to retune! )

Giggle moment jejeje

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Apr. 23 2016 17:26:07

DavRom

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RE: Influence of guitar on cante (in reply to DavRom)

So you've never forgotten to re-tune after an interval of time?

I have and I'm not afraid to admit it because it doesn't make me a lesser musician for it

You may disagree with him, I'm cool with that and I'm happy to read your comments on the subject. But that remark about him forgetting to re-tune is just puerile

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Apr. 23 2016 17:26:52

estebanana

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RE: Influence of guitar on cante (in reply to DavRom)

I don't think Ricardo meant that as a lacerating blow to the guy. I think he just saw it coming and well....when you been around in a discipline for a while, you see a lot of things coming, and it's usually funny to watch them go down.

Now Ron would have managed to make a dirty joke out that entrance in the wrong tuning, but he was a genius. He would be all "You have to play in the old key before you can get any noo-kie...." *facepalm*

Jason McGuire would have instantly thought of a new fingering for the chords to play it in the right key...in the wrong tuning. Then he would say, " I should be fined for committing a flamenco technical foul. "

Ricardo would stop and say "Ok everyone one Gerardo is playing this way now", and then invent his own way to do it, but blame Gerardo for making the thing hard to play.

That's called style.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Apr. 23 2016 21:09:58