Alegrias back arpeggio

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flyeogh

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Alegrias back arpeggio

Had a lesson yesterday near Cadiz. Typical spanish type lesson with no written notes/tabs, just play by example. Anyway very enjoyable although still can't get used to do, ray, mi rather than letters but c'est la vie.

But we came to the most common (I think

) Alegrias falseta. It's the back arpegio where a bass is followed by three trebles ( bass-1-2-3 p, a, m, i). He showed his three fingers on 1-2-3 ready to play the tirando and the 4 notes seemed to come from one movement.

I'd always played this as a sort of three fingered picado. Interested in any thoughts on this. Is it an important technique? Does it aid the timing of the 4 notes?

And any suggested exercises to conquer this as I'm finding it very difficult. Even more difficult where the bass is the D (4th) thus the thumb cannot finish resting on the G (3rd) string. But maybe my error is that my thumb shouldn't rest on 4th or 5th either when playing bass 5th and 6th?

I'm probably asking the impossible here and it is just a matter of many hours. Also what I have written may make no sense at all

Cheers

ps: put triplet in original title and didn't mean that but don't seem able to change it. Sorry

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Ricardo

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RE: Alegrias back arpeggio (in reply to flyeogh)

If you could describe the exact rhythm you are trying to make that would help, because it matters. When I do it fast, I dont' pre plant the fingers for ami-p, however I do preplant for ima-p. If you are making a triplet 16th, resting the thumb is much simpler. If you are making straight 16th notes (groups of 4 evenly per beat), then many times it is not possible to rest stroke the thumb.

The distinction between pre planting and not is called "full plant" versus "sequential plant". FYI, when Gerardo Nuñez had full use of his i finger, he almost never did full planting in either ami nor ima. The most normal thing to do is always full plant ima, and only sequential plant ami....I personally plant my a finger and P at the same time when doing pami, pami.

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flyeogh

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RE: Alegrias back arpeggio (in reply to Ricardo)

Ricardo muchas gracias yet again

quote:

If you could describe the exact rhythm you are trying to make

At the moment we are just looking at techniques. What he played was four even strokes repeated. And accelerated to very fast to demonstrate how the technique stood up.

It's good to hear that I can pick and choose. We only looked at a-m-i yesterday. But I'll i-m-a today and see how the feel varies with full and sequential plant.

As I only play for my pleasure I don't want to get too bogged down on difficult technique but equally I do want the correct tools in the bag as things get more complex and rapid.

ps: While my spanish is pretty good the accent down south is so different from that of Asturias that I'm used to. It is like having a lesson with a Geordie in french

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Jan. 12 2016 13:05:08