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Remember when this was called "Luthiery"?
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Escribano
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From: England, living in Italy
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RE: Remember when this was called &q... (in reply to HemeolaMan)
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So, I can't spell . I am not sure whether you mean a separate discussion section for each luthier, or some static pages with their bios? I have thought about it in the past, but my main concern with separate sections is the moderation and organisation, as well as the end benefit. For example, luthier A posts something in their section, luthier B feels it to be bad form to post a question or disagree with luthier A on A's own turf. B may post something obtuse in their section but we lose the thread, literally. A member asks A a general question, B chooses not to answer (for reasons stated), luthier C does answer but then A complains to me that they are infringing. Another question is who gets a section and who doesn't? How do I measure that? We might get a great luthier just join up and contribute but when do they get their own section? Does the luthier feel that it is their section and that they should moderate it themselves? A separate place for introducing themselves and writing a short bio is not a problem, but that can be accomplished with a new thread in Lutherie, which I will happily turn into a sticky and a FAQ. Those are my thoughts... that this is a place of discussion and that this could break it up into little fiefdoms. If we want to help our resident luthiers, then free ads on the Lutherie pages might be of more use. Of course, I am open to suggestions.
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Date Nov. 30 2014 9:57:20
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HemeolaMan
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RE: Remember when this was called &q... (in reply to HemeolaMan)
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Wow, I totally didn't babysit this post because I thought it would blow away like a fart in the wind.... I'm glad to see that so many have responded! I work in software consulting. That means that almost every system or software I see or use inspires me to think of feature add-ons or improvements. I don't see anything wrong with the normal order of things here as they are. I just think things up and suggest them. Stephen and I have been friends for some time now. I was about 2mm away from pulling the trigger on moving to Oakland to learn guitar making from him. I had originally applied for part time jobs in SF and Oakland but was hired in Chicago which totally blew that plan away. In the time that we have known each other it has come to my attention that the foro is a really significant source of web traffic for makers (Anders, Stephen, Andy, Blackshear, etc) to get the attention of players. I don't know what conversion rates are on that traffic. I do know that the foro acts as a place where an interested buyer can go through posts and learn more about each luthier, their ideas, the things they prefer and don't prefer, as well as what others think of their guitars. My original position at the beginning of this thread could do with some further explanation. I am referring to a static page much like a bio page. This function is performed by LinkedIn for the rest of the world. I thought it would be nice to consolidate the contact info of our esteemed luthiers into a page with a quick bio, link to their page, some short blurbs about their work that they choose. It could be a convenient way to present the cast of characters to the outside world so that anyone looking for someone to build their guitar can get a look at who is part of our community of flamenco friends. By no means am I suggesting this as a means to discriminate against, endorse, or promote any one person over another. Simply establish an easy reference list and then the outside viewer can be quicker on their way to finding a wonderful new guitar made just for them by whichever avenue they wish and from whomever they wish. The obvious point of opposition is "what is the advantage? why should we change something if it works fine now?" Well there's not much incentive to change at the moment. We don't really have any conversion stats and we don't know how much your current visibility/long term participation relates to sales. We also don't know how many sales are made to former members who have ceased participation or if that is marketshare that can be recaptured. It would be cool if there was an API that LinkedIn had so we could just connect a foro bio with their linked in page and then pull that into a dedicated page for luthiers..... I don't advocate an elaborate system here. I am suggesting a simple information page where there's no B.S., no back and forth and opinions, and no knock-down-drag-outs.
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Date Dec. 8 2014 19:46:15
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estebanana
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RE: Remember when this was called &q... (in reply to HemeolaMan)
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Hemiolaman, or Kevin, is one of the smartest guys I know, or have ever known. He's under 30 years old, but acts in life with wisdom that is far beyond what he's lived. I think that makes him an especially good observer; he really looks carefully and deeply at situations, then uses the information to help himself and others. I think this guy is going somewhere big, every time we talk I hear he's gotten another promotion or has been given responsibilities at work based on his 'get up and ago' and observational smartness. And not to make him into a future stuffed shirt untouchable CEO type in the making, he is the worlds leading expert on which microphones to use when recording fart noises. We have often thought about creating a self recording toilet with a 'bowl mic' to auto record human flatulence in order that doctors could use it as a diagnostic tool. Today medicine does not employ fart noise as part of a regular set of diagnostic criteria, but in the future it may be possible. Kevin, like Steve Jobs his esteemed and erstwhile employer, both looked ahead of the pack and far beyond the curve of distant horizons for inspiration for the benefit of human kind. When Kevin talks about anything, his wise words will often be interleaved between mouth fulls of mashed potatoes, gravy and roast beef.......wait.....I forget....if he still a vegetarian? Anyway, he knows to select a fine brandy to drink after dinner and can recommend a Shubert piano trio to stimulate a mood for conversation about BIG IDEAS. I would move to Chicago, were it possible, just to be included in this mans ever expanding circle of influence. There you may post this to your Linkedin bio page and say it is from me, Stephen Faulk CEO of Este Banana Imports LLC, SA, Inc.
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Date Dec. 9 2014 0:54:50
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HemeolaMan
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RE: Remember when this was called &q... (in reply to Anders Eliasson)
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Anders, I'm not sure why my absence or presence has anything to do with the validity of the idea. I'm also confused as to why waiting two weeks to respond has any influence on the matter either. Being fully employed and owning another business at the same time really limits my spare moments to check in on threads. I have no financial incentive here and no skin in the game. Just ideas which you can disregard if you so choose. I have been reading the foro in the time that I was "away". I chose not to post because I had little to contribute and flamenco wasn't my priority at the time. Honestly, it still isn't my priority. Flamenco was a huge and important part of my life when I started going to college [to study music] because I had to choose between studying classical or jazz. Flamenco was a music that I really enjoyed and could transfer the techniques back to my classical playing. This forum became a place for me to connect with people all over the world and I grew to respect each of you and value your insight and opinions. We agree, a forum is a living breathing thing. Just like music, software, and everything else. Living things change over time, they grow. Just as you have changed in the time since I've been "away". Since we both agree, then why such strong opposition to trying something? It's just a little thread =) We can even measure how many people read it and if it's a failure you can declare it to be so in public for all to see and I will agree with you. You've said quote:
And finally, no builder has said they found your idea to be good so far. And its been 2 weeks now. Forget about it. With respect, your statement is demonstrably false. The first response was an enthusiastic "Agreed!" and several others have talked about the idea and how it could be changed into other forms which would perhaps be more beneficial than my original idea. Now it is my turn to repeat myself as well, I respect your point of view and your opinion. It is duly noted. You are an outstanding guitar builder and have provided scores of advice that have helped me along in my journey. I have no intention to turn this forum into a commercial/museum thing, just to make it easier for people to connect. If this is something that is roundly rejected by this community that's totally fine by me. Ideas are just ideas, easy come easy go!
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Date Dec. 10 2014 16:46:52
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