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Hi Iam living in Almunecar at the mo, things seem quite, anyone familiar with the region regarding Flamenco
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Dave
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Nov. 14 2005 19:00:04
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Hi Dave.

I have very little knowledge on flamenco on the cost but there should be some things going on in Nerja, but it might only be in summer. I general the Granada province is a bit dead when it comes to flamenco. In my Village, which is 13 km from Granada capital, there's nothing going on besides me.

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Kate

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Hi Iam living in Almunecar at the mo, things seem quite, anyone familiar with the region regarding Flamenco


Hi Dave,

I've been down to Almuñecar a few times with flamenco groups. Emilio played at the cultural centre/town hall there. His cousin Juan runs a flamenco bar, the whole family are flamencos, one of the first albums Harold made here was with them, unfortunately never released due to change in administration. Also check out Hotelito, a late night cocktail bar, lots of musicians hang out there and the owner is a bass player, speaks English spent a lot of time in Canada. Of course there is the Jazz festival every year, Emilio played with Jorge Prado there this year, so they do put on flamenco. I know flamencos in Nerja but the scene is so quiet now ( there was more going on in the 80s there) that they moved up to Granada to get work. In La Herradura there is a bar called the La Cochera on the sea front which often has live music, and flamenco. The family I mentioned before often performs there.

Also keep an eye out for festivals which happen in many of the small outer villages. One of the finest I went to was up in the Allpujarras, at Capeillera, when I saw Estrella Morente and El Capullo for the first time. Of course more happens in summer than right now. Too cold to be hanging about outside.

Hope this helps. Keep tuned to local radio and TV and ask around.

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Nov. 15 2005 10:26:18
 
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RE: Almunecar (in reply to Guest

quote:

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Hi Iam living in Almunecar at the mo, things seem quite, anyone familiar with the region regarding Flamenco


Hi Dave,

I've been down to Almuñecar a few times with flamenco groups. Emilio played at the cultural centre/town hall there. His cousin Juan runs a flamenco bar, the whole family are flamencos, one of the first albums Harold made here was with them, unfortunately never released due to change in administration. Also check out Hotelito, a late night cocktail bar, lots of musicians hang out there and the owner is a bass player, speaks English spent a lot of time in Canada. Of course there is the Jazz festival every year, Emilio played with Jorge Prado there this year, so they do put on flamenco. I know flamencos in Nerja but the scene is so quiet now ( there was more going on in the 80s there) that they moved up to Granada to get work. In La Herradura there is a bar called the La Cochera on the sea front which often has live music, and flamenco. The family I mentioned before often performs there.

Also keep an eye out for festivals which happen in many of the small outer villages. One of the finest I went to was up in the Allpujarras, at Capeillera, when I saw Estrella Morente and El Capullo for the first time. Of course more happens in summer than right now. Too cold to be hanging about outside.

Hope this helps. Keep tuned to local radio and TV and ask around.

kate

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Nov. 15 2005 10:26:59
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Thanks Kate. I have generally 3 months to bumb around Adalucia, after quiting my Job. Iam posting from Granada at the mo, which to my surprise is a massive city, thought it was a small town. Checked out a few guitar makers notably Lopez Bellido, but the guitars didn¨t really have any life in them. Might stop over tonight in Granada, big cities especially if ya don´t speak the lingo freak me out a bit, especially without amigos, so dont think I´ll rent out a place here. Going to have a look at Moron de Frontera next few days with an eye to renting there for a few months. Basically I´m not looking for lessons just to maybe watch a bit of action without paying the expensive Tablao prices with food and drin included. Ive got a feeling its who ya know rather than what u know so might just soak up the sun for 4 months in Almunecar. Its weird I have often come to Andalucia, full of exitement only to hit some kind of depressive streak, which is a bummer, anyway thanks for the info.
Cheers
Dave
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Nov. 17 2005 12:53:09
 
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Dave,

If you want to find easily accessible FREE flamenco, I recommend that you pass up Moron and go directly to Jerez. Most of the peñas there are open to the public free of charge for performances. At Moron's Peña del Gallo you have to be a member to get in during performances, although it is open to the public at other times. They have excellent tapas. When I attempted to become a member they gave me the run around. I got the distinct impression that they did not want to have me as a member. Anyway, you'll find far more Flamenco in Jerez than just about any place else. Trust me.

Phil

PS. If you do go to Jerez stay away from Juan Parrilla's place "El Lagar" it is EXTREMELY expensive. Go to the peñas and definitely stop by Bar Arco (right next to the Santiago church). If Moraito is in town you will probably run into him. If not him, then certainly one of Jero's or some of Jerez's other hundreds of Flamencos.
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Nov. 17 2005 14:50:25
 
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RE: Almunecar (in reply to Phil

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I have often come to Andalucia, full of exitement only to hit some kind of depressive streak, which is a bummer


Don't let it get you down, it's a quiet time of year. If you have your guitar, hang out in the Plaza Nueva and play a little; you'll meet someone (that's what I did). It's not as formalised in Granada but there are plenty of fans around.

I agree with Phil though, Granada is cold this time of year, flamenco is not frequent enough for your visit whilst Jerez has over 20 peñas.

Try Peña Terremoto there - the manager (Angel) is very friendly - it's a short cab ride out of the centre. The other one I recall is Peña Cernícalos, I wonder if Paco is still behind the bar? Weekends maybe best - tourist information may be able help.

Not sure about membership as we were there during the annual flamenco festival and everyone was very welcoming.

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Nov. 17 2005 15:46:51
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Thanks Phil. Granada seems to be full of homless types with dreadlocks and dogs, and dodgy looking Arabs pedling drugs, maybe its just me, but like someone once said a long time ago, without contacts or amigos, Andalucia is just like anywhere else in the sun, so Iam going to have an early night, and forget about flamenco for the next few months and going to get a tan in Almeurca, pardon the spelling
Cheers
Dave
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Nov. 17 2005 19:10:37
 
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Hey Dave, man!
Sorry to hear your on a bit of a low ebb at the moment.
Sometimes things are like that.
Whenever I travelled, I always travelled on my own.
That's how you get the best out of it IMO...travelling with others doesn't allow things to happen.
But sometimes I'd have low periods when I'd think "What the hell am I doing here", sort of thing....
It's natural...
I'd say go to Jerez an look up that Dave Hill guy....LOL!
Anyway it sounds like a more independant traveller friendly place from what I've heard.

Anyway, at the end of the day, always make sure you have a good bed and a good pair of shoes.
'Cos if you're not it one then your most likely to be in't other...

Love to whippet, and have a San Mig for me!

(Things will turn out good...believe me)

cheers

Ron
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Nov. 17 2005 20:07:58
 
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Granada seems to be full of homless types with dreadlocks and dogs, and dodgy looking Arabs pedling drugs


In this weather I guess the homeless, druggies and dealers are the only ones hanging round the streets with nothing much to do. I dont know I'm not going out much right now. But its not a fair portrait of Granada nor of the inhabitants. I once read a travel article in the Guardian where the reporter said there was so little going on that he was in bed by 10 o'clock which made us all laugh. Night life in the city does not begin till way after 10 pm and goes on till the wee hours. In fact at 5 in the morning Plaza Nueva can look like Picadilly Circus.

Its not that big a town, about 300,000 and about 60,000 of them are university students, many of them foreigners. There are some very important Arab studies here and Granada has many Moroccan residents, most who sell kebabs not drugs. A friend once said it was no bigger than Tottenham when you got to know it. Its also very easy to make friends if you are out and about even if you dont speak the language. My Godson has done very well with very little help from me ( think difference between flamenco and hip hop) getting out and meeting people even though he does not speak Spanish. You just have to go out after midnight.

Still if you want to hang out with Flamencos in Granada you have to get used to going to dodgy places and meeting dodgy people and hanging out very late

Kate

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Nov. 18 2005 11:43:16
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RE: Almunecar (in reply to Kate

Thanks Kate suger pie dumpling. That Dave Hill guy I once met, I nearley droped dead whe I found out he had the same name as me. I really hate big cities. Granada I thought was the smelliest city I have been to. I find southern Europe cities horrible. Anyways, anyway u could send me a pair of ya wifes knickers Ron ?
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Nov. 18 2005 12:10:38
 
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I find southern Europe cities horrible


So don't visit them and don't think of taking up travel writing.

We've only been trying to help you out. I'll let Ron respond to the wife thing.

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Nov. 18 2005 13:43:13
 
Kate

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Granada I thought was the smelliest city I have been to.



Agh try Hong Kong or London where the rubbish is piled outside people's houses and only taken away once a week. At least the rubbish here is taken away every night and the streets swept and hosed down each morning.

For me the smells of Granada are jasmine in the Albaicin, fried fish tapas at 8 pm, marijuana, incense and fresh mint tea from the Moroccan teashops, crushed rosemary, ripe pomegranites falling from the trees, vanilla from the cake making nuns, orange blossom, smokey olive wood burning, mountain air with a hint of snow and flamencos wearing far too much cologne

Kate

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Nov. 18 2005 14:18:31
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quote]I find southern Europe cities horrible.[/quote]

So why bother????????????????????????????????????

Cádiz I love to bits, Jerez la má flamenco del mundo, Sevilla un tesoro, Córdoba fantastic but that climate, Málaga and Almería wonderful. Granada beautiful but makes me feel uncomfortable (must be Garcia Lorca ). And las sierras y los pueblos más bonitos todavía.

Horrible? You need to rethink your philosophy.

Sean
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Nov. 18 2005 16:23:27
 
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Granada beautiful but makes me feel uncomfortable (must be Garcia Lorca ).
Sean


Ahh Sean you have something there. The fascists in this town worry me more than the hippy dreadlocked druggies. Do you have La Mallafolla in Cadiz or is it just a Granada thing ? My friend was talking about his doctor the other day and said " I really like him but am aware that sixty odd years ago he would have shot me without a thought" I heard that Ian Gibson ( Lorca's biographer) moved back to Madrid because he couldn't bear this aspect of Granada. ( He had been living in Simon's village I think)

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Nov. 18 2005 16:31:10
 
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I heard that Ian Gibson ( Lorca's biographer) moved back to Madrid because he couldn't bear this aspect of Granada. ( He had been living in Simon's village I think)


Indeed he did. I will try not to read Ian's book There are several bridges around here where the facists executed republicans and dumped their bodies in the ravines but this is nothing unique to this Granada. There are some spooky corners to my valley.

Personally, I like Andalucia.... except for Almería

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Nov. 18 2005 17:34:22
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anyway u could send me a pair of ya wifes knickers Ron ?


Knickers?

You gotta be joking man!

Up here at this time of year it's LongJohns

Jeezus it was freezing today and we're told this is gonna be a bad winter.

Anyway, on the knicker hunt, Simon said that there was a transvestite who frequents the main square in Granada. I guess for a few Euros and a beer he might oblige. LOL!


cheers

Ron
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Nov. 18 2005 20:14:07
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Agh try Hong Kong or London where the rubbish is piled outside people's houses and only taken away once a week.


Ah! for life in the country, Kate!

All the villages in my area have recently been issued with "wheelie bins".
One small bin to each household, (regardless of family size) and they will be picked up once every two weeks.
No glass, no tins, no paper.
That stuff has to be recycled at your nearest recycling centre.
If you have excess garbage, then you will have to bag it up and take it in your car to the nearest community dump, which in my case is 15 miles away.
Also the council are requesting that the bins are made available for collection at a convienent place, which in some areas means the bins have to be trundled 1.5 miles to the nearest main road.
Ahh...progress.
Life just gets better and better...

cheers

Ron
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Nov. 18 2005 20:25:20
 
Escribano

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Simon said that there was a transvestite who frequents the main square in Granada


Ahh, you remember! He was a little rough, even by cross-dressing standards

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Nov. 18 2005 20:32:44
 
Escribano

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One small bin to each household, (regardless of family size) and they will be picked up once every two weeks.


One large wheelie for 3 houses here and emptied every day - council tax is 42 Euros p.a. In England it was 2175 Euros !!

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Nov. 18 2005 20:39:02
 
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My Council Tax, for a 2 bedroomed semi is £1500 (UK pounds).
Up until now, the council uplifted everything from old sofas and wardrobes etc and as many bags of rubbish you cared to leave out.
All on a weekly basis.
That is in the past and now we are told this is is the new deal starting 7th December.

So they reckon that 3000 individual cars stuck in a jam every weekend trying to dump their stuff is a "greener" solution to a purpose built vehicle coming round once a week to take away everybody's refuse.

May look neat on paper to the beurocrats, but it don't work in practice.

(What makes it worse is that most of the beurocrats are 15 to 20 years younger than me ... )

Whatever happened to Woodstock I ask you? ...

cheers

Ron
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I find southern Europe cities horrible.


Have you been to Cadiz, Jerez, Sevilla, Cordoba, etc? I find your opinion a bit hard to understand. I think these are some of the best cities I've been to, but then again I chose to live here in Andalucia so I'm biased.

Phil
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Nov. 19 2005 14:58:08
 
Kate

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RE: Almunecar (in reply to Escribano

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Personally, I like Andalucia.... except for Almería


What's wrong with Almería ??? I love it with its tumbleweed and cactus and incredible unspoiled coast. They've even got cowboys and Indians there.

Kate

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Nov. 19 2005 15:09:17
 
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I will try not to read Ian's book


It's a great book, not just a portrait of Lorca himself but also of Spain at that time. Give it a go Simon, or try his earlier and shorter version " The Death of Lorca" which reads like a mystery novel.

Kate

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Nov. 20 2005 16:44:10
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I was in a bad mood when I posted that. There is a Flamenco comp here in Almuancar at the weekend so might enter it.
Thanks
Dave
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Nov. 21 2005 13:13:19
 
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There is a Flamenco comp here in Almuancar at the weekend so might enter it


You sounded a bit grumpy. Want some moral support? Happy to pop down and it's always good to meet new folks.

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Nov. 21 2005 15:56:53
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Phil yeh I have been to those cities, and in summer they are the most unbearable places to be on earth. It was 43 % when I was in Codovo once for the festival. My memory of Cadiz was driving through the city on a coach on the way to Malaga I think. And a Tractor had just knocked down a scooter rider, blood streaming from his head int the gutter. The farmer sat on the tractor, waiting for the emergency sevices to come. At the bus station it was full of Arabs that stunk of BO. Also have been told not to get ill in Andalucia or buy property as courption is high. If you dont speak the lingo and getb ill, they could charge you for an English speaking doc, which is a load of bull, and quite often they will send you to a private clinic if injured. Spain has its good points but its still a border line backward country suck in the past
Dave
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What nonsense.

For a start there are ways of living in the heat. You start the day early to make the most of the cool mornings, and always walk in the shade. At the height of the sun you have a siesta. Never ever sit in the sun. At night you open the shutters and in the day you close them. Marble floors keep the house cool. You eat late at night, after 10 pm and spend most evenings outside while it is cool. Midnight is a good time to eat ice cream. After many years here I do not notice the hot summers. If it does get too much then head for the hills, the moutains are always cooler. Most of this is common sense if you live here.

On the subject of body odour we all smell differently according to diet and circumstances. For in instance in bus stations you are more likely to come across hot and smelly travellers of whatever race. Years ago I met an old friend who confessed that he always thought my family smelt funny. Before I took offense he was quick to add that he now knows it was garlic. I have to say no-one in Spain ever complains you smell of garlic.

As for the medical services, I have found it far superior to any experience in the UK. For a start it is cleaner and friendlier. You get seen and treated very seriously in emergency out patients and I have never ever been charged. I have also found many doctors have a reasonable command of English unlike my least visit to a London hospital where I waited 6 hours to be seen and finally had a Doctor whose command of English was so bad we spoke Sanish ( She was Italian and had been in the country 6 weeks).

There are several forum members who have bought property here without any trouble that I know of. I had regular meetings with the bank manager ( yes we still have them here) who helped beyond the call of duty even coming with us to sign the final papers. I'm sure Simon also had a pleasant experience buying his property.

This post just shows an ignorance of Spain, its people and its way of life. Spain is still recovering from the Franco regime but it is a modern European country where people discuss poetry and politics in the same breath. I find the way of life and the people here very civilised.

Kate

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Phil yeh I have been to those cities, and in summer they are the most unbearable places to be on earth. It was 43 % when I was in Codovo once for the festival. My memory of Cadiz was driving through the city on a coach on the way to Malaga I think. And a Tractor had just knocked down a scooter rider, blood streaming from his head int the gutter. The farmer sat on the tractor, waiting for the emergency sevices to come. At the bus station it was full of Arabs that stunk of BO. Also have been told not to get ill in Andalucia or buy property as courption is high. If you dont speak the lingo and getb ill, they could charge you for an English speaking doc, which is a load of bull, and quite often they will send you to a private clinic if injured. Spain has its good points but its still a border line backward country suck in the past
Dave


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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Dec. 8 2005 18:09:57
 
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Well, not uncommon on a borderline backward B-world like Earth eh?
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Well Dave...What can I say except don't travel!
Stay in Blackburn, eat Lancashire Hotpot and exercise the whippet...LOL!
There are bags of CD's you can listen to without travelling.

I even get upset going on holiday with my wife & daughter even in the UK!!
Everything annoys me these days...I'd much rather be at home, where I've got everything that pleases me around me.

Your getting old!

As for uncivilized behaviour, and talking about blood, I once saw a guy shot in the head by police/military in Colombia.... right in front of my eyes...
I couldn't quite take in what I'd just seen..
It kinda changed my mindset about things somewhat....

Spain's OK!

cheers

Ron
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