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sorin popovici

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From: Iasi, Romania

Oh...that PDL!

Edit: I erased the whole intro to this topic ...cause it wasnt really important
and it was a long post.I will try not to post so much.

This topic is about the tremolo in Fuente Y Caudal and tips on how to do it (at least
that's what it is about now until my next edit, God I love editing

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Dec. 13 2005 14:52:02

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Dec. 13 2005 20:46:06

sorin popovici

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RE: Oh...that PDL! (in reply to sorin popovici)

thanks for the reply lionel .
I'm trying not to give up...l'll practice it a week ,but after that I'll get it in a box also.
Ok,as for the others ...to resume ,dont read my crap if u dont want to ...but please
can u answer me to these 2 questions

1. When u have a tremolo like 2232 (i'm saying this is the tremolo without the bass note)
,should u play 2232 or 22h3p2 .2232
2. Same question with 0023. To me it seems extremely hard to get your left hand
fingers to fret exactly when u close the tremolo line( I mean when u pick with m and i at the
end).
Also in fuente y caudal pdl has 7553 .I'm nervous ...I can do regular tremolo ,but this
seems too much.
I hope ...somebody understands this ,I cant explain it better.I supose that u'll
say that the answer is 0023 as it is written ...but how do u study this? It looks
from my point of view that starting very slow will take years.
Does anyone have some tip or smth?

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Dec. 14 2005 2:40:42

sorin popovici

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From: Iasi, Romania

RE: Oh...that PDL! (in reply to Guest)

u're right Lionel ,i was too....whatever..
I tried this morning ,and this are getting a little better ....the hard part
is that at speed u cant tell if you are doing 0023 or 0223 ...or whatever.
Thanks ...that was a good advice,no hammer ons for me.
I dont know how long it took for me ,as I tried first pami tremolo
like in classical.Now I can do piami ,but funny thing i cant do pami.
The thing is that the classical tremolo ,as I know it ..it's done
with the pulgar playing free strokes ,and the flamenco using
rest strokes ..and I cant do free strokes

So it's like no recuerdos for me(i sucked anyway).
I'm curious if somebody tried recuerdos with flamenco
tremolo.I think it should not be imposible(for me it will be
almost).
Miguel de Maria here from the foro says that he can do it .
I wonder what kind of tremolo does he use?

(i'm beging for a reply here ,hellooo)

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Dec. 14 2005 13:02:32

JasonM

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Joined: Dec. 8 2005
From: Baltimore

RE: Oh...that PDL! (in reply to sorin popovici)

Hey Sorin,

I just wanted to say that I happen to be going through the exact same problem as you right now, as of last week. I learned and practiced tremelo when I first started, thought it was good enough, and moved on. Then last week I started working on tremelo in Gerardo's vid. I think the reason why I stopped practicing tremelo was because although it sounded cool at first, later many tremelo falsetas became the "boring" part of a piece to me. Also, tremelo as we know, isn't the most important technique in the tool box to practice.

But I'll be damn if that Gerardo didn't prove me wrong. That Solea por bulerias tremelo is awsome, same with the impossible rondena one as well. So I have started learning my tremelo over again from scratch. But thats what Gerardo's DVD is about, polishing those skills, Gerardofying them. If you follow his exercises on tremelo, you will aslo develop great control and percision with your right hand fingers, which will help you with Gerardo's crazy arpeggios as well.

The guitarist that I take lessons from studies with Gerardo. I am lucky to have him. A good tip he shared with me is to practice your tremelo with staccato. Just like picado. You will develop control, eveness and speed.
Jason

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Dec. 14 2005 17:50:20

sorin popovici

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RE: Oh...that PDL! (in reply to sorin popovici)

i'm very ....susceptible about this staccato thing ....i mean i dont do staccato and
i dont want more speed,i'm pretty satisfied with my picado for now.I played a long time
no picado just tirando like in classical.I dont know if this staccato really helps ...I very
much doubt that the extremely fast picado we see at gerardo is cause he practiced staccato.
Now....maybe I should try it too ,but u know u put some effort into it ...and dont know
if it's gonna pay off.So that's why I wait for someone to convince me.I dont
know what will take , but before i've seen nunez never believed that i should need
a m picado ....now I'm a believer :D (like the song says).

So tremolo will sharp my p a m i arpegios.Hmm, I just cant wait.That is good
news.I'm pretty much a beginner ,I chose to learn first the tremolo from the nunez
cause it seemed that this will be not such an effort and very rewarding.Tremolo
imho gives u more fast results cause is not that instabile,picado depends (again imho)
too much on how the nails are feeling :D and if ...elefants fly or dont fly that day :D (as
I understood from the many discussions about picado).This is just what I feel now,dont
know maybe i'm gonna change.

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Dec. 14 2005 18:17:06

duende

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RE: Oh...that PDL! (in reply to sorin popovici)

staccato is good to let the fingers know where they are suppose to go.
If you do practice picado and tremolo your finger get very precise.
If you do it staccato.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Dec. 14 2005 19:14:53

JasonM

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RE: Oh...that PDL! (in reply to duende)

quote:

I very
much doubt that the extremely fast picado we see at gerardo is cause he practiced staccato.

You might be right about that. I don't believe Vicente Amigo does it, and he's got fast picado, but I also might be wrong about that. Pre-planted fingers = speed.

But, Gerardo does it, so does PDL, and so does Duende. My teacher's picado is, in my opinion, just as good or almost as good Nunez.

I would give it a further try, Sorin. It has helped me a lot, and I used to think the same as you. My fingers no longer "flap wildly" around when trying to play fast picado, and it is giving me a clean, even, and solid contact for tremelo. Nail woes are no longer an issue when doing staccato, unless they are super long and get caught. Going back to tremelo, I noticed last week that when doing tremelo on the g or b string, I wasn't getting solid contact with the string. For example, my anular finger was only hitting the string with the nail (no flesh) making for an un even and unpredictable tone. I started practicing tremelo on the g string with staccato and I found I was able to really "dig in" and get a consistent, even tone, at a very slow tempo though.

A lot of peaople say that they don't like the sound. I can agree with that to some respect, but only when playing really slow. When you speed up, you can't even notice anymore.

And, staccato saved my life! Thank you staccato!

Jason

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Dec. 14 2005 20:09:41

Mark2

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From: San Francisco

RE: Oh...that PDL! (in reply to sorin popovici)

That's a pretty tough tremelo in fuente. I learned it maybe fifteen years ago, and haven't messed with it since, but started looking at it again last week. It's starting over again for me, as I haven't spent much time on tremelo for the last several years. I don't think those ornaments(2232 vs. 2332, etc) are crucial to the feel of the piece, but, if your going to spend all that time on it, might as well give it your best shot.

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Dec. 14 2005 20:34:15

sorin popovici

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RE: Oh...that PDL! (in reply to sorin popovici)

I hope I didnt offend anyone.Henrik,You did tell me sometime ago
to do staccato for tremolo.And I forgot about that,and I dont know ..
I got caught into other things to practice and time has passed
and now I can do the tremolo on the g and b strings,though
...I didnt study tremolo ,studied arpeggios and picado(no staccato ,regular).
With picado,I tried the accents thing(and that is also thanks to you Henrik).
...also i'm hoping to improve by doing this the arpeggios.
That's y I say IMHO and in my experience(limited experience ).

Ok, I'm gonna pick it up again in this holiday...since I'll have some time.
I'm in my last year at my university ...and I'm already scared like hell.
I dont wanna work 8 hours a day after this...people who work dont
really play guitar like they want to.I just hate I have to grow up so fast.This is
my excuse ,for not doing all the things I would really like to do.
I'll get back to staccato.

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Dec. 15 2005 1:00:36

JasonM

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From: Baltimore

RE: Oh...that PDL! (in reply to sorin popovici)

Sorin,
I just finally finished school back in May. I too am going to miss my 2 hour days and all the free time to practice. That is why I spent 7 years in school. But just think of all the money you'll have to spend on nice guitars! And no more homework and projects hanging on your shoulders, which you should be doing, but instead are playing guitar.

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Dec. 15 2005 16:47:10

John O.

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From: Seeheim-Jugenheim, Germany

RE: Oh...that PDL! (in reply to sorin popovici)

Hi Sorin,

ouch, Fuente Y Caudal is a rough one. I could do it, but I've lost it by now.

I remember it being a real b*tch fitting all that melody into the sets of iami. Those high bar chords put a painful cut in the middle of my index finger too.

You need to work out an exact set of notes to practise very very slowly with - these notes will not be exactly what you play when you have it down.

You can't slowly build up tempo until it's at the right speed with this one, you have to keep practising it at the same extremely slow pace and try it at the regular speed every once in a while until it finally works.

Good luck!
John

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Dec. 17 2005 18:18:49