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johnnefastis

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How common is this rasgueo ? 
Hi,

I am just working my way through some Alegrias variations and came across this by Manolo Franco.

a▲ m▲ i▲ i ▼ a▲ m▲ i▲

He uses it starting on count 7 and finishing on count 8 of Alegrias. It seems nice as unlike an abanico rasgueo you have you index ready for an upstroke.

Just wondering how common it is, i am familiar with the aii aii triplet patterns but not so much with this.

Cheers

Simon
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mark indigo

 

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RE: How common is this rasgueo ? (in reply to johnnefastis) 
sextuplets, yes?

familiar to me, i use it a lot, add another i upstroke, then another complete
a▲ m▲ i▲ i ▼ and you can use it in solea over beats 1 and 2, coming out with i down on 3. You can repeat it on 4,5,6 as well
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xirdneH_imiJ

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RE: How common is this rasgueo ? (in reply to johnnefastis) 
it's quite common, i would say more so in dance accompaniment as it can be a more convenient way and the tone doesnt differ (and matter) as much...i do this all the time, although unconsciously...
you'll often find the amii amii pattern replaced with eami ieam ii in alegrías and soleá, and of course there is the jerezano triplet where you repeat the ami ami (really difficult stuff for me), moraíto used that one all the time...
i've also done some eamiieamiieamii triplets when i was kind of tired and didn't feel like doing it properly :D as long as you land correctly it doesn't really matter...of course the tone is important, depends on circumstances...
but it's always good to be prepared for anything - i found myself inventing all kinds of patterns in dance classes (where you get bored easily) that i now use regularly...
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Dec. 8 2012 18:19:41
 
Ramon Amira

 

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RE: How common is this rasgueo ? (in reply to johnnefastis) 
I teach my students that exact sextuplet – AMI all down, followed by I up, then AM down. It is followed with I down right on the next beat, where you have an accented beat on the next beat. In some palos at a slower tempo, say Soleares, if you do a four stroke to the beat rasgueado it’s too sparse. A six strokes to the beat rasgueado works better at a slower tempo.

This sextuplet can be used continuously on consecutive beats as in the first two beats of a Soleares compas. In that case, the sextuplet on the second beat begins with I down, and then following the same sequence the sextuplet ends with I up. That works perfectly, because now I is ready to strike Down on the third beat of the first measure of the Soleares compas, which is an accented beat. The identical sequence is then used on 4-5-6.

At a faster tempo you simply double the AMII, and get an eight strokes to the beat rasgueado. This also ends with I up, and so again I is ready to strike down on the next beat.

Ramon

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Dec. 8 2012 18:29:38
 
johnnefastis

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RE: How common is this rasgueo ? (in reply to johnnefastis) 
Thanks everyone.

Yeah sorry I meant sextuplets. I will work on this if nothing else I am sure the asymmetry will prove
to good training.

Mark that sounds like a nice solea rasgueo, but I am not sure I totally get it.

You mean sextuplets like this ? It doesn't seem to quite work out.


amiiamiiami
1xxxxx2xxxxx3

Thanks again everyone Y
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Dec. 8 2012 19:00:04
 
Ramon Amira

 

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RE: How common is this rasgueo ? (in reply to johnnefastis) 
quote:

You mean sextuplets like this ? It doesn't seem to quite work out.


amiiamiiami


If you just add I Up at the end of that sequence, you get exactly what I described above - two sextuplets played over two beats. That can then be followed on the next beat by just I Down, covering a total of three beats. with an accent on the third beat, as in the first measure of a Soleares compas.

Ramon

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Dec. 8 2012 19:10:32
 
mark indigo

 

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RE: How common is this rasgueo ? (in reply to johnnefastis) 
quote:

You mean sextuplets like this ? It doesn't seem to quite work out.


amiiamiiami
1xxxxx2xxxxx3


yeah, i think you just missed the bit where i wrote "coming out with i down on 3" so you get

1
a▲ m▲ i▲ i ▼ a▲ m▲

2
i▲ i ▼a▲ m▲ i▲ i ▼

3
i▲

you can repeat the sequence on 4,5,6 (you can also play i ▼ on 3 1/2 which links them together)

i think Ramon must have been replying at the same time as me (but i posted first! ) - we are saying the same thing.

what are the keyboard shortcuts for the ▲ ▼ ? they make rasgeo much easier to understand in print!
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Dec. 8 2012 19:33:01
 
Ramon Amira

 

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RE: How common is this rasgueo ? (in reply to johnnefastis) 
Yes, Mark and I are saying the exact same thing (he said it first.) And yes, it’s common to add an I Up stroke on 3 and ½ to the I Down on 3, then repeat the whole thing on 4-5-6.

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Dec. 8 2012 20:21:19
 
Ricardo

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RE: How common is this rasgueo ? (in reply to johnnefastis) 
quote:

ORIGINAL: johnnefastis

Hi,

I am just working my way through some Alegrias variations and came across this by Manolo Franco.

a▲ m▲ i▲ i ▼ a▲ m▲ i▲

He uses it starting on count 7 and finishing on count 8 of Alegrias. It seems nice as unlike an abanico rasgueo you have you index ready for an upstroke.

Just wondering how common it is, i am familiar with the aii aii triplet patterns but not so much with this.

Cheers

Simon


I always use this for fast buleria counts 1,2,3...triplets.

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Dec. 8 2012 21:02:26
 
johnnefastis

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RE: How common is this rasgueo ? (in reply to johnnefastis) 
Thanks for clarifying that Mark and Ramon it was the last down up down with the i that threw me for a moment.

Thanks for the Buleria tip too Ricardo. I have been trying to squeeze in for stroke rasgueos there and always found it too fast so I will try that.

1
a▲ m▲ i▲

2
i ▼ a▲ m▲

3
i▲


This pattern works in that situation too, I would have thought that would be more
obvious but I am going to go away and practice the new one.

1
a▲ m▲ i ▼

2
a▲ m▲ i ▼

3
i▲

Mark I don't know the arrow shortcuts I just copied and pasted from an ascii chart. They
are useful.

Thanks for all the new patterns to work on everyone ! I only saw it on the video with no tabs so its been great to discover that you are all using it.
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Dec. 8 2012 22:38:12
 
Ricardo

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RE: How common is this rasgueo ? (in reply to johnnefastis) 
quote:

ORIGINAL: johnnefastis


This pattern works in that situation too, I would have thought that would be more
obvious but I am going to go away and practice the new one.

1
a▲ m▲ i ▼

2
a▲ m▲ i ▼

3
i▲

Mark I don't know the arrow shortcuts I just copied and pasted from an ascii chart. They
are useful.

Thanks for all the new patterns to work on everyone ! I only saw it on the video with no tabs so its been great to discover that you are all using it.


Thats new on me...unless you replace the m's with i's ....it's too awkward to go m down and i up at fast tempo.

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Dec. 9 2012 14:36:44
 
johnnefastis

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RE: How common is this rasgueo ? (in reply to johnnefastis) 
Sorry I meant this like you said. The same as Gerardo does on the Encuentro DVD.
Doh

a▲ i▲ i ▼

2
a▲ i▲ i ▼

3
i▲
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