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what beats are paco tapping ? is he tapping beats one two and skipping three (1 2 x) or skipping beat one and tapping two and three (x 2 3) ? thanks in advance!
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RE: what beats are paco tapping here (in reply to ronney2s)
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what beats are paco tapping ? is he tapping beats one two and skipping three (1 2 x) or skipping beat one and tapping two and three (x 2 3) ? thanks in advance!
Tricky question the way YOU word it here. It depends what the numbers really mean to you. Many people count 12 beats to relate buleria to solea. Others count only in 6. Some other players tap the foot to the same music differently then what paco does, that is they mark every other beat. I actually consider THAT method marking the BEAT and it is a beat that would be also in groups of 3. If that is the way we decide to describe bulerias, we also need a quarter note marking.
So if quarter note = 125-130 bpm then he is tapping his foot like this: &2 3&, &2 3&.....so the downbeat is absent, as is the "&" of beat 2.
If quarter is same as above, but you prefer to understand the rhythm in 6/8, then the foot is doing: 2,3, 5,6 etc...in other words the dotted quarter gets the stronger beat and he taps the weaker beats. This works but is not ideal.
If you define quarter note as double the above 250-260 bpm and count as per Solea in 12 (accents on 3,6,8,10,12), the he is tapping: 1,2,4,5,7,8,10,11......repeat.
So simply counting in 3 at the same tempo above, you must decide what is the downbeat, which gets to the heart of what you are asking I think. The answer is, the down beat is absent from his method of tapping above. If you equate what paco plays to a waltz, then he is tapping 2,3,2,3. BUT The second space is a secondary accent, but to be understood as different then the downbeat space. That is why 6 is usually thought of as the smallest unit instead of just 3.
RE: what beats are paco tapping here (in reply to Ricardo)
thanks ricardo so if you are playing a falsetta starting on beat 12 with accents on 3 6 8 10 12 this way of counting would be valid ? 12 1 x 3 4 x 6 7 x 9 10 x and this too x 1 2 x 4 5 x 7 8 x 10 11 but the second one is not ideal ?
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RE: what beats are paco tapping here (in reply to ronney2s)
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thanks ricardo so if you are playing a falsetta starting on beat 12 with accents on 3 6 8 10 12 this way of counting would be valid ? 12 1 x 3 4 x 6 7 x 9 10 x and this too x 1 2 x 4 5 x 7 8 x 10 11 but the second one is not ideal ?
No. If you refer to Paco's foot tap, it IS the 2nd way....and ONLY the 2nd way. If you count in 12 as per solea.
RE: what beats are paco tapping here (in reply to ronney2s)
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x 1 2 x 4 5 x 7 8 x 10 11
For how I understand it, Paco' foot taping is the transposition of the palmas they clapped in the vid.
And I describe this particular way of doing palmas as the medio compas of the medio compas. clap,clap,foot,clap,clap,foot,clap,clap,foot... = the foot hits 3 and 6.
Then you can switch to classic medio compas as : foot,clap,clap,clap,clap, clap, foot,clap,clap,clap,clap, clap, ... = the foot hit only on 6 (but it's the same pattern except you replace foot on 3 by a heavy clap).
What i don't get is the explanation about the downbeat
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RE: what beats are paco tapping here (in reply to mezzo)
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What i don't get is the explanation about the downbeat
The downbeat is the head or strong beat or reference beat for the meter. What you wrote above "foot" in your "classic medio compas" description, is the downbeat. As you know, your foot can actually do other things, but as you described it, you have "foot" on the downbeat.
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