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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Sep. 4 2011 15:47:32

Ricardo

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RE: Preferred EQ settings for Live S... (in reply to Guest)

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Just curious what are you guys preferred EQ settings for live gigs?

Especially if you are using a mic on a Blanca....

depends on the speaker, speaker placement, the type of mixer and effects you are running through, the type of mic, and finally the make of the guitar. That is a lot of variables. In general there is a frequency guitars tops are tuned to, usually around A, and if you can notch that out then you can get on with sticking the mic in the hole almost.

But if you dealing with just simple bass mid treb eq, I first try to just cut the bass a lot, then stick the mic in the hole (about 2 or 3 inches away) so it won't boom. Then increase volume. Some systems you can cut all the bass but still get boominess, so you can then INCREASE the mids and trebs together (in effect cutting more bass until you find the desired limits).

It could be more complex depending on all those other factors I first mentioned, but I always start with that. In the end you are limited with how loud you can make it before the mic will finally hear itself and make feedback.

In cases I will play in a more quiet concert hall totally solo, and don't need excessive volume, then we try to keep the eq totally flat but position the mic much farther away from the soundhole. If you have any other instruments though, like percussion or palmas, you will get bleed into your mic.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Sep. 4 2011 16:03:28

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depends on the speaker, speaker placement, the type of mixer and effects you are running through, the type of mic, and finally the make of the guitar. That is a lot of variables. In general there is a frequency guitars tops are tuned to, usually around A, and if you can notch that out then you can get on with sticking the mic in the hole almost.

You forgot the most important factor Ricardo, which is the room that you are playing in. To eliminate the bad frequencies of the room:
First before you even start to sound check your guitar, put the mics on and with an multi band eq in between. Then raise the volume untill it begins to feedback a little. Then put the volume down and remember the frequency that you hear feedbacking the most. Search for that and put it down, do the following untill you eliminated the main feedbacky frequencies (so that once you put the volume of the mics at a "healthy" hight, it will not give feedback).
Off course you have to have this multi band eq in the first place. You can not notch the bad room freqs away with a 3 band eq (high mid low). well, you can, but not as good. sometimes these graphic eqs have a light indicator that burn on the frequency that is being feedbacked like the one in this picture:

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Sep. 4 2011 17:25:01

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Then put the volume down and remember the frequency that you hear feedbacking the most.

How do you know which frequency is feeding back?

What if you dont have feedback problems and you just want a good sound?

Then what?

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Sep. 4 2011 19:19:38

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RE: Preferred EQ settings for Live S... (in reply to Guest)

the thing is that with amped performances you always have feedback, especially with miking a guitar. even when you don't hear the feedback because your backing up a bit to not feedback. even when you play solo. you always want it to be loud and clear enough for you and the audience? make sure you eliminate the problematic room frequencies.

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What if you dont have feedback problems and you just want a good sound?

Then what?

well, thats pretty simple: play acoustically. I never ever ever heard a guitar being miked well in a live situation, the bigger the theaters (and more expensive) the worst.
There is no such thing as a recommendation for an eq setting. Ideal would be (after playing without mic) is keep the eq flat, because you have payed a lot for your guitar and are proud of its sound. But when there is for example too much mid in the speakers, and you hear it and think: "wait a minute, this is not how my guitar sounds" then you can pull the mid a bit down. Like ricardo said: always pull down some mid. I would suggest a little more high and stay away from the mid.

Three months ago I went to Estrella Morente in the Royal Theater Carre (one of the most fancy theaters in Holland). The guitar sound wasn't well en a couple of times even feedbacked so loud that is was embarrasing. the guitar player was so sick of the technique at a certain moment that he took off the stage and walked to the technician. it was kind of funny, but I was ashamed really

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Sep. 4 2011 22:17:26

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RE: Preferred EQ settings for Live S... (in reply to Guest)

i usually always have to turn down the bass.
i think outdoors is usually easier to eq though. you might need to raise the highs. just play it by ear.

if you only have bass, mid, and eq, check out one of these:
http://www.musiciansfriend.com/guitars/mxr-m-108-ten-band-graphic-eq/151115000000000

it's a guitar pedal but you can stick it into your effects loop in your pa.

now the hard part about outdoors is getting good reverb....

good luck with the wedding gig!

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Sep. 6 2011 13:26:21

Ricardo

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RE: Preferred EQ settings for Live S... (in reply to Guest)

I never said turn down mids. In fact DONT DO THAT!!!!!!

Everyone thinks a guitar sounds great when they turn down mids, but not me. A guitar's voice is mostly mids, so what you are really doing to your sound by doing that is simply increasing bass and highs. The idea is to make the guitar sound flat and natural, but closer and louder to the audience then it is.

I dont' think room frequency is as important as speaker placement relative to the mic. You can eq the room fine, but then you change a speaker postion or add monitors etc, and it is all different.

For out door with acoustic guitar amp solo, just keep it flat if you can but crank it up. Good luck.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Sep. 6 2011 16:43:14