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Schalli

 

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How can i gain speed in my rasguados? 

Hello,
I have a question about practicing my rasguados...
I play the a↑ m↑ i↑ i↓-Rasguado now for over one year in my soleá and never had any problems. I was also able to combine two a↑ m↑ i↑ i↓-Rasguados to one continous rasguado, if needed.
But now i decided to learn bulerías as my second palo and in one version of the basic rythm i have to play a continous a↑ m↑ i↑ i↓a↑ m↑ i↑ i↓-Rasguado over the 10+11, what is VERY difficult for me because of the high speed of the bulerías (compared to soleá)...
What can i do to alter my speed when playing a↑ m↑ i↑ i↓a↑ m↑ i↑ i↓? Any suggestions? How did you solve this problem? (If you had it ;-)
As mentioned, I already played it about 1 Million times in my "slow" soleá, so i'm not shure if the usual "practice-slow"-approach is the solution for this...
Thanks for any hints and Greets :-)
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Nov. 24 2010 7:48:15
 
marduk

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RE: How can i gain speed in my rasgu... (in reply to Schalli

more a question than an answer, but could you use your pinky also? i suppose it depends on what your practicing
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Schalli

 

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RE: How can i gain speed in my rasgu... (in reply to Schalli

Yes, i can also do a "q↑ a↑ m↑ i↑ i↓"-Rasguado. But isn't it even more difficult to press 5 Strokes (10 Strokes) into the short passage?
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NormanKliman

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RE: How can i gain speed in my rasgu... (in reply to Schalli

quote:

i have to play a continous a↑ m↑ i↑ i↓a↑ m↑ i↑ i↓-Rasguado over the 10+11, what is VERY difficult for me because of the high speed of the bulerías (compared to soleá)...


No doubt about it, the tempo of bulerías makes everything a lot harder, and the only solution is to keep working at it. Most of the development will involve building up strength and endurance, but another important part will involve learning to relax. Tap your foot on the even-numbered beats: 12, 2, 4, 6, 8 and 10. That might make you feel like there's a little more space.

I noticed that you said "over the 10+11" (I assume you mean beats 10-11). Although that wouldn't be a strange idea, it's much more common and useful to develop some kind of rasgueado with i-m-a over beats 7-10. I recommend you concentrate on that for now. If you develop that first, it will be a lot easier to do the idea you mentioned.

Here are some patterns for beats 7-10 (beats separated by commas):

i-a-m-i, i-a-m-i, i-a-m-i, i (start with index upstroke)
a-m-i-i, a-m-i-i, a-m-i-i, i (ends with index downstroke)
a-m-i-i, a-m-i-i, e-a-m-i, i (last ras. starts with little finger)
a-m, i-i-a-m, i-i-a-m-i, i (starts on beat 7.5)

Notice that the last one has two sixteenths, four sixteenths and a quintuplet.

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Nov. 24 2010 8:21:58
 
Schalli

 

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RE: How can i gain speed in my rasgu... (in reply to Schalli

Thanks for the Advice!
Maybe its just an issue of building "muscle" in my right hand...I'll try and practice your suggestions to learn a few variations, what should help with the musclething, too.

The example i was talking about only uses one chord, so the rasguados are thrown in for some variety in the sounding. you play a continous a↑ m↑ i↑ i↓a↑ m↑ i↑ i↓-Rasguado over the 10+11 and start the next cycle with the i↑+Golpe from the same movement...so i guess it would be best to end the rasguado with i↓...
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Nov. 24 2010 8:36:22
 
marduk

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RE: How can i gain speed in my rasgu... (in reply to Schalli

yeah i didnt want to say too much in my post, because i dont understand compas well yet. i was just putting it out there in case it lead to something else you learned along the way :)
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por medio

 

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RE: How can i gain speed in my rasgu... (in reply to Schalli

I'm not sure what exact combinations you are working at but a universal truth is "faster you go, more you need to relax". Relax your hand and use your forearm muscles to "propel" your fingers.

Make sure you practice "emptying" the tension after each stroke as well if you haven't already.

Good luck!
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Nov. 24 2010 18:25:36
 
Schalli

 

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RE: How can i gain speed in my rasgu... (in reply to Schalli

No, actually i've never practiced relaxing my Hand or my fingers... How does this work?? Is this esoteric stuff?
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por medio

 

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RE: How can i gain speed in my rasgu... (in reply to Schalli

Ah... No it's not esoteric at all. But it is the most fundamental and crucial aspect of guitar playing that everyone can agree on - and there're aren't many!

When you practice slowly, don't just practice getting the right notes at the right time; but practice playing in most relaxed manner. So the actions just eh, simply flow out of your fingers. Everything you do, rasgeos, picados, arpeggios, alzapuas, pulgars, relax as much as you can.

I don't mean that you should lose your soniquette. Everything should sound as it musically should be. Although you might lose the volume a little - eventually you won't.

Have a look at lots of youtubes - paco, vicente, diego, manolo, tomatito - see how relaxed they look. Video yourself and have a look at your body and hands.

I'm not sure how long you've been playing, but I wish that someone told me this a lot sooner - it would've saved me a lot of effort now. Even when I thought I was relaxed my teacher would tell me to relax more (he would say "you need to chill out man"), and I would realise that indeed I always could!

Hope it helps
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Nov. 25 2010 8:03:27
 
Schalli

 

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RE: How can i gain speed in my rasgu... (in reply to Schalli

hm, thanks, i'll try..
but i'm still a beginner and when i start playing "serious" i have to fokus A LOT so i'm far from being relaxed. That's especially a Problem for me, when i have to play a fast four stroke P↓am↑P↑P↓ what seems to be very common in Flamenco...
When i play this very often in a row it's no problem, but when i have to play it only once my right hands full of tension and i cant move it easily, so most times it sounds like crap... i hope you understand what i'm trying to say?
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rogeliocan

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RE: How can i gain speed in my rasgu... (in reply to Schalli

I had the same problem with arpeggios, for just under one year I could not play pimami faster than 60bpm. For me what did it is the following, and by the way, it's through this forum that the technique to resolve this came, just over a month ago.

There were 2 main things.
1. I got this from the Hererro paso a paso video. He said one little sentence, if you have a problem stringing the ascending with the descending arpeggios its because of the change in direction. In your case, you can play one amii, your problem is doing 2 in a row or more quickly. So your problem might be related to going from the i to the a. So first step is to find the problem. Do you have stress in your hands, arm, shoulder, are your non-playing fingers curling for no reason while the playing finger strikes to play, is the motion of each fingers correct...

2. is about how to practice to correct this. Once you have found the problem motion and the solution (you have to find out how to do it right) you have to retrain your muscle memory to the right movement and you have to do that very slowly, and relaxed, and over time (a few weeks, not days). So you should play it very slowly (very) and look at the motion of i to a. Stop while doing it if you have to. So here you have to look for a problem in your motion. if there is one (like I had) you have to correct that and you do that at a very very slow speed. Then increase speed very very slowly to relearn and build proper muscle memory.

Finally, only practice with your right hand (assuming you are right-handed) stress in your left hand, like changing chords might cause stress in your right hand, it's a natural thing you have to learn to stop.

In any case, this is what did it for me and my arpeggios, maybe it will help you.

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Nov. 25 2010 11:22:08
 
NormanKliman

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RE: How can i gain speed in my rasgu... (in reply to Schalli

This double rasgueado for soleá and alegrías might help to build strength. It's just sextuplets on beats 7 and 9. Here it is over beats 7-10, with the beats separated by commas:

a-m-i-i-a-m, i-i, a-m-i-i-a-m, i

Check out any Parrilla video to see it in action, especially during the cante.

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