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srshea

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Joined: Oct. 29 2006
From: Olympia, WA in the Great Pacific Northwest

Terremoto/La Nina Tangos- Same Melod...

I pulled out Terremoto Hijo’s Cosa Natural for an in memoriam listen this morning and noticed that the first letra of his tangos* follows the same melody as La Nina’s “En Barcelona a Valencia….”

*Sigue cantando ti historia
Sigue cantando, Gitano
Que el mundo no es una noria
Nos cria a tos como hermanos

Same melody but different letras except for the “Al gurugu, etc” tag at the end. I identify that melody with La Nina, and think of that as “her” tangos (in my own limited and still developing understanding of how all this stuff works).

So, couple questions. Is that melody actually hers or is it just some trad/generic tangos melody? And if it is hers, would you call what Terremoto is singing “Tangos de La Nina de los Peines” even though he’s not singing her letras? What’s the primary determining factor that makes something “Solea de Whoever”? Is it strictly the melody, with the lyrics up for grabs?

Also, does the “Al gurugu” thing “count” as a line of its own or is it just something that’s tagged on to the end of the last line? It kind of seems like a nonsense filler sort thing like “le le le”, but it also seems to perform a melodic function by dropping the scale down to resolve the phrase.

Sorry if this these are all really dumb questions with overly-obvious answers....

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Feb. 17 2010 14:36:54

Ricardo

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RE: Terremoto/La Nina Tangos- Same M... (in reply to srshea)

I need to double check, but tangos de piyayo comes to mind....meaning that would be mr piyayo's song.

I will double check when i get a chance but maybe someone else has checked it out already.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Feb. 17 2010 22:36:51

srshea

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Joined: Oct. 29 2006
From: Olympia, WA in the Great Pacific Northwest

RE: Terremoto/La Nina Tangos- Same M... (in reply to Ricardo)

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ORIGINAL: Ricardo

I need to double check, but tangos de piyayo comes to mind....meaning that would be mr piyayo's song. I will double check when i get a chance but maybe someone else has checked it out already.

I checked through all the Tangos de Piyayo I had and it was all that kind of lilting, folksy stuff that's got a major key garrotin/guarijas vibe. The La Nina one I'm referring to is your standard driving por medio deal. I'll try to upload the tracks later...

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Feb. 18 2010 10:41:50

srshea

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From: Olympia, WA in the Great Pacific Northwest

RE: Terremoto/La Nina Tangos- Same M... (in reply to srshea)

Audios

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Feb. 18 2010 10:59:59

Estevan

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Joined: Dec. 20 2006
From: Torontolucía

RE: Terremoto/La Nina Tangos- Same M... (in reply to srshea)

Interesting questions...

This came up recently in another context.

You get the same melody with different words here (@0:20):

and with yet other different words here (@3:30):

(and some old ladies sing 'Uruguay' instead of 'Gurugú' )

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Feb. 18 2010 18:51:13

veet

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Joined: Nov. 29 2004
From: L.A.

RE: Terremoto/La Nina Tangos- Same M... (in reply to srshea)

Nope, that's not a tangos de piyayo. Those are like a variant of tangos de malaga, tono flips between major and minor, sometimes sung fast to end a farruca.

This one was done by Camaron and later Arcangel (sorry I don't have the audio):

Que ganas tengo que llega el mes de los caracoles, el mes de los caracoles
Pa comprarle a mi gitana, una bota de botones, una bota de botones
que quiera que yo te quiera, que quiera que yo te quiera
y haras lo que yo te digo
ay si quieres veni a mi ver
ay lere, le lere lere le lere
cuando este en tu solea y refresque tu memoria
pensando en mi lloraras
calabaci calabaso
que esta gitana que la mando yo

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Feb. 19 2010 9:20:07