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RE: IS JUAN MARTIN IN THE TOP ?? VOTE (in reply to Florian)
Well I don't know juan or his books. I saw the rumba. I think Paco Pena does it better. Whatever that's worth. But hey. I didn't pass the six months on the forum. So I'm not voting
RE: IS JUAN MARTIN IN THE TOP ?? VOTE (in reply to tluczek)
I've been following this thread and my feelings are this... If Juan Martin had been less successful and less well known, then there would be no problem. I tend to view Juan more as a "variety show" performer. His stuff is rather dated now as his dress and style, but he does play genuine Flamenco guitar IMO, although personally I've never been into his stuff. Actually the same critisizm could be made of Paco Peña now... Some say the guitar style has changed...others say that the only thing that has changed is the current fashion. So who knows? Juan is very TV "friendly", so he gets called a lot by programme makers. He doesn't go onstage with a pair of jeans and a tee shirt, but is formally well dressed and well groomed.. usually better than the members of the audience, which gives him an immediate advantage IMO, for an average "entertainment" audience likes that sort of stuff and immediately feel they are in the presence of a great Maestro... He has an amazingly "thick" Spanish accent when speaking English... probably the strongest accent I've ever heard...on a par with Raymond Blanc the famous French chef. All this adds to the audience experience. On the guitar, he's a competent guy...nothing particularly jaw dropping technique wise, but he obviously puts on a very enjoyable evening for the folk who have paid their money and come out to see him. So what's wrong with that? He's obviously not in the same league technically as the players Florian listed. But he's probably earning more than a lot of them!
RE: IS JUAN MARTIN IN THE TOP ?? VOTE (in reply to tluczek)
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you shouldn't call his records drink coasters
sorry tluczek, your right, i was exagerating. Like i said his method book was excellent when i started flamenco, i should not have been disrespectful (it was only ment to be a joke).
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RE: IS JUAN MARTIN IN THE TOP ?? VOTE (in reply to Florian)
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ORIGINAL: Florian If i can convince 1 single member to buy Emilios Maya cd instead of Juan Martins then yes i feel I have really helped flamenco.
Hey Florian,
I found your quote, and I agree. Emilio, and Harold and me, would love it if every member here bought a copy of Emilio's album. How many sale would that be ? Perhaps we should make it compulsory
RE: IS JUAN MARTIN IN THE TOP ?? VOTE (in reply to Florian)
The encuentro series have great guitarrists. It would be very very hard for Emilio to impress after Gerardo Nunez, I think. Emilio is a great player, I could imagine that he has great stuff for a video. But I think they only take bigger names of today, or good friends of the producers. I think if Paco Serrano would do the same video as they did, today..it would be hard. So if they produce a new video, it will be an enormous great player with crazy inventions. But there is a chance. They took some guitarrists who are just friends or cloth to a special place. And there is a percussion player who allways wants to be on the videos but isnt outstanding.. Just a good friend of the people who produce the videos. Finally he accompanied a very good guitarrist on one of the videos and the great guitarrist said that he plays not good, but he can acomp. him coz he is the house-percussionist. I dont wanna say names but you can see in the video which I mean, that the guitarrist allways looks at the percussionist and allways gives him hints when he has to start and where a llamada is, as the percussionist would be a child with two left hands. So the videos are great, but behind the camera is much crap going on, I heared. Trust me.
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RE: IS JUAN MARTIN IN THE TOP ?? VOTE (in reply to Doitsujin)
Doitsujin, even though you are "right" in my opinion, you are being WAY to critical of the series. I know one guy involved, he is an excellent guitarist, and the project he admitted is a big pain, very difficult, transcribing and translating, no money made in the long run, and they do it because of their love of the art. At the time he told me this, it was before Nunez vid. He said he did not want to do anymore, unless Nunez agreed to do it, which he did NOT want to at that time. I told him if they could convince him, they must do it on DVD.
I don't see any need to complain about any of the vids, they are not perfect at all. But imagine if we had NONE of them? The percussion is just a reference for the student, at least he is not rushing or dragging the time. He seemed "scared" of Nunez and Tomatito. In Spain they have cante competition and the singers often have to use the same guitarist, crappy or not. So, a good singer/guitarist should not have to rely on his own personal accompanist.
Nunez shows us the real stuff, Tomatito too, but no words. I love nunez, he is the top for me, but many don't like him. I have met many that learned from Paco Serrano. And something like the Cante vid was helpful, though not top notch. Techniques are not the end of learning in flamenco. Chicuelo shows stuff that works well for baile, so I could imagine seeing a GOOD accomp for baile teach a vid that is not about playing techniques. Someone like Paco Fernandez for example...
RE: IS JUAN MARTIN IN THE TOP ?? VOTE (in reply to Florian)
Yes Ricardo, you are right. Im a bit to hard to the videos. But I like them too. I learned a lot from Paco Serrano and at the moment I learn his Zapateado. I like his music, but maybe after Nunez its hard for the most guitarists to impress, I think. The bad things I heared,..I really only heared it from third persons. I dont know if it really happened or not. The flamencos allways talking a bit more than they should I think.
RE: IS JUAN MARTIN IN THE TOP ?? VOTE (in reply to Florian)
this is a sad post. the poll is wrong and do not make sence. this post sound like someone wanting to start controversy where none is. you like apple or you like oragne? maybe like bannana? all are good, i like bannana. if you dont like bananna tell me 5 hundred fruit that better. sound like florina dont like bananna so he try to convince anyone to not like it too? this a silly poll. no to disrepect...but this have nothing to gain but trouble.
RE: IS JUAN MARTIN IN THE TOP ?? VOTE (in reply to soulstring69)
well first off its Florian
and second i am not in a mood to start a disscussion about it again (it didnt just start out of the blue), i didnt have to do much convincing so give me a brake, i asked a question and got answers thats it.
Oh yeah and from now on ask Juan Martin for free loops with counting and ****
RE: IS JUAN MARTIN IN THE TOP ?? VOTE (in reply to Florian)
I know a few homeless guys in Almeria and sevilla that are just out of this world. amazing all around players. Juan Martin? I guess he's ok to those that don't know better.
RE: IS JUAN MARTIN IN THE TOP ?? VOTE (in reply to Florian)
florian please dont not take it wrong. it just a poll that has no meanng at all stistiscal wise. and you remark about the loop you made me is also just wrong. did i offfended you that much? i do have one alegrais loop that if i can send it to you will you count it right for me? you a great player but it not as necessary to hurt some feelings over jun martin, as one postr already did leave because of it. that is what i referred too. let me know if you will count the alregrai loop for me, ok?
RE: IS JUAN MARTIN IN THE TOP ?? VOTE (in reply to soulstring69)
thats cool soulstring i am just a litlle tired of having to explain myself when all i did was asked a question.. ( i said at the top its silly i know) many members chose not to vote) up to them, i didnt force anytone to do or say anything.
if you asked me the poll came out alot more in Jm favour than against, i think hed be jumping up and down with excitment. yeah email me the track
RE: IS JUAN MARTIN IN THE TOP ?? VOTE (in reply to soulstring69)
OK...now that this subject has been totally thrashed to death and holds zero interest anymore for anyone...can Dominic please end it with an appropriate picture?
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