Solea por Bulerias vs Bulerias por Solea

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Phil

Posts: 382
Joined: Jul. 7 2003
From: Rota, Spain

Solea por Bulerias vs Bulerias por Solea

I'm reposting my response here to Michael Cho who's in Sevilla taking guitar lessons, because I think what Michael was told is interesting and the post was buried in another thread. See full post under the thread "Why can't I use a 4 finger ras all the time?"

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According to my flamenco history teacher, Solea por bulerias is a fast solea, that is, with the letra and melody of solea, while Bulerias por Solea is a slow bulerias, with letra and melody of bulerias.

Michael.
There are many things about Flamenco that people argue about. A lot of differences arise when people don't realize that there may be different terms for things in different areas or regions. However, having said that, I've never ever ever heard anybody say there is a difference between Solea por Bulerias and Bulerias por Solea. I have always heard that the terms are interchangeable. And I was told that again as recently as 2 months ago. We need to get Sean and Estela to weigh in on this one.
Phil

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Phil

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Joined: Jul. 7 2003
From: Rota, Spain

RE: Solea por Bulerias vs Bulerias p... (in reply to Guest)

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People who know some solea letras sung to that aire will swear that they are ALL solea por bulerias.
People who are more familiar with bulerias letras sung to that aire will swear that they are ALL bulerias por solea.

Andy,
What I'm saying is that there is no difference between a Solea por Bulerias and a Bulerias por Solea. They are the exact same thing.
Phil

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Jul. 15 2003 23:00:52

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RE: Solea por Bulerias vs Bulerias p... (in reply to Phil)

Nothing is simple. In 1928, Tomas Pavon recorded a SOLEA, which is known now as a perfect example of solea por bulerias. I think this may be the origin. However, cante is what defines cante, not the guitar. Nowadays s por b (or b por s) have evolved and much of the modern cante is composed for this palo. It is probably from Jerez. However, a good cantaor can sing any palo por any other palo: (eg colombianas por bulerias). I prefer s por b, but call it what you like. It has the same compas as alegrias, but another aire.

Sean

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Jul. 16 2003 1:40:56

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RE: Solea por Bulerias vs Bulerias p... (in reply to Phil)

I agree with you, Phil. The music and compas is identical. I'm only saying that people choose to call it one or the other name depending on what letra that associate with it - a solea letra or a bulerias letra.

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Miguel de Maria

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RE: Solea por Bulerias vs Bulerias p... (in reply to Phil)

Man, the only answer for this one must be that there is no answer. My teacher, Eduardo Rebollazar, was accompanying for Chocolate and he said that the cante defines it and that SB and BS are exactly the same thing. And my other teacher, whose father is a famous flamenco singer (el naranjito de triana) and who is quite asute with documentation, claims that SB and BS are different.

There is no anwser! Some people, some regions, some groups, call it one, others the other, others the same thing.

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