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Ramon Amira
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RE: Sometimes Teachers are Weird! (in reply to Wannabee)
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why was the guy using Segovia's arrangements and then re-fingering them? There is nothing sacrosanct about Segovia’s or anyone else’s fingerings. I learned that from personal experience a long time ago. I started out as a classical guitarist, and I was learning the Sor Twenty Studies. Sor had written hundreds of studies, and Segovia selected twenty of them, published them as a group, and they became famous as the “Sor/Segovia Twenty Studies.” Segovia said that anyone who could play those twenty studies fluently could play anything. Well, Segovia had fingered all twenty, and when I was studying them I followed his fingering scrupulously. In one of them, every single time I came to a certain place, I faltered, and no matter how hard I tried, I could never get it right. Then one day, in frustration, I said to myself – almost guiltily, because I wasn’t supposed to say that – “I wonder what would happen if I used this finger here and that finger there, etc.” So I tried it, and instantly I played it perfectly the first time. The fingering was all wrong – at least for me, though I consider it wrong in general. From that day on, I never paid too much attention to someone else’s fingering, and just worked out my own. Ramon
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Date Dec. 23 2012 6:07:35
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Wannabee
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RE: Sometimes Teachers are Weird! (in reply to Ramon Amira)
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There is nothing sacrosanct about Segovia’s or anyone else’s fingerings. I learned that from personal experience a long time ago. I started out as a classical guitarist, and I was learning the Sor Twenty Studies. I agree in principle, but if you are taking individual "filmed" lessons from a high profile teacher, it would only show a modicum of respect to follow their fingerings. If he wants to change things on his own afterwards, that's his own business. I saw an interview once where Chris Parkening described a similar experience with Segovia. Segovia was well noted for that sort of attitude. The guy should have known better. I don't agree with all of Segovia's fingering ideas either, but I wouldn't have been so foolish as to do what that guy did. In the end, you have to work out what works for you, but as one teacher told me one time, "it's utter folly to expect a young student to be able to re-finger a piece properly" It takes years of experience to understand why things are fingered in a certain way. If you change them, you have to be able to make the changes work musically and not "just cuz it's easier to play that way". One of the reasons I was turned off of Classical guitar is that teachers seemed so full of themselves and concerned about specific fingerings etc. It was years later before I realized why they said what they did. Anyway, happy new year.
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