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metalhead

 

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Need advice regarding something 

I have a problem; I'm very lazy when I need to learn new things. If I'd to learn a new falseta by ears, while learning it I would quite often get distracted and instead of trying to learn it I start playing falsetas I already know. How to avoid this and is this common?
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silddx

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RE: Need advice regarding something (in reply to metalhead

Iron discipline, and the feeling of joy and achievement from learning something new.
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Ricardo

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RE: Need advice regarding something (in reply to metalhead

Turn the TV on. In otherwords, deliberately subvert your distraction with another one. The problem is, neither good nor bad, when I run certain falsetas learned that way years ago, either the movie section plays in my head, or if I happened to watch the movie, the falseta plays in my head. This since I was a teen going on. Some examples:

Ending of Bach Bouree in E minor, Die Hard.
Trafalgar by Nuñez: Intacto
My buleria in C#: some James Cameron produced film where there were cave divers trapped.

And a big etc.

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Mar. 28 2024 19:42:49
 
metalhead

 

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RE: Need advice regarding something (in reply to Ricardo

Hey Ricardo that's sound like a good advice, I'll try that
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Mar. 28 2024 20:01:47
 
Manitas de Lata

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RE: Need advice regarding something (in reply to metalhead

lazy or procrastination?

i do what Ricardo says , therefore i can relax and enjoying more while "workin" , it doesnt seem that heavy.
Do some pauses watch some tv and go to the guitar again, some times even watching tv
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Mar. 28 2024 20:34:40
 
Stu

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RE: Need advice regarding something (in reply to metalhead

Maybe try learning it by notes? Not ear.

Tackle it in smaller parts?
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Mar. 28 2024 23:13:57
 
Norman Paul Kliman

 

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RE: Need advice regarding something (in reply to Stu

quote:

Maybe try learning it by notes? Not ear.


Yeah, try writing the new ideas in musical notation if you haven’t already, and learn how to do it if you don’t know. Some people seem to think it’s too hard to learn, and I remember it being a big step for me, insofar as not being sure if I could do it and being surprised afterward that I could. For my own purposes, I always use paper, pencil and tablature with time values, which is very fast, easy and accurate. If you forget a falseta, you can go back and check the tab, and the transcribing process develops your head and ears in a unique way.

Back in 1983, Steve Vai said:

But transcribing definitely helps your sight-reading. It'll help your ears; it'll help your sense of time. It's a miracle drug. It's really worth it.
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silddx

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RE: Need advice regarding something (in reply to Norman Paul Kliman

Great advice. I have also found this very helpful, and indeed enjoyable.

I use MuseScore to do it as I can check how it sounds and edit quickly. It's free and easy to use.
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Paul Magnussen

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RE: Need advice regarding something (in reply to Norman Paul Kliman

quote:

Yeah, try writing the new ideas in musical notation if you haven’t already, and learn how to do it if you don’t know. Some people seem to think it’s too hard to learn, and I remember it being a big step for me, insofar as not being sure if I could do it and being surprised afterward that I could.


It’s become clear to me over the course of my life, that the biggest obstacle to learning anything is very often simply the unjustified belief that it’s too difficult, and nothing more. It’s stopped me even trying many things, which I now regret.

I went to Len Williams’s Spanish Guitar Centre when I was a 15-year-old schoolboy, and learnt to read music along with housewives and many other normal, average people. So give it a go. Yes it’s slow at first, and you find yourself counting leger lines; but it’s more than worth the effort.

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For my own purposes, I always use paper, pencil and tablature with time values, which is very fast, easy and accurate.


That’s exactly what I did before the days of music software, and I still have all my transcriptions on yellowing paper — writing out all those dots was too much effort.

Nowadays I use Finale, but that’s because I bought it early, and now my version is completely familiar: but it’s expensive, and it has a steep leaning curve.

Tablature with time-values was good enough for John Dowland, after all, so…
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Mar. 30 2024 6:45:22
 
Norman Paul Kliman

 

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RE: Need advice regarding something (in reply to metalhead

I’m surprised you guys use notation software for personal use, as I find paper and pencil so much faster and easier. I only use software for stuff that goes on my website. I don’t know about Finale, but in Musescore you have to enter the time values as you go, and they can’t be changed afterward without screwing up all the subsequent notation. I’ve learned to get around that by copying and pasting into a blank staff (especially useful when transcribing free styles), fixing the problem and pasting the copied parts back into the score. Still, it seems like a lot of work compared to pencil and paper.
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Mar. 30 2024 18:31:11
 
Ricardo

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RE: Need advice regarding something (in reply to Norman Paul Kliman

Small errors that affect a long score are easier to fix with software via cut and pasting etc. With paper and pen I have to start over. There are nerds online that can transcribe with guitar pro in real time faster than I can with a pencil. So the potential is there.

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Mar. 30 2024 19:15:29
 
Norman Paul Kliman

 

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RE: Need advice regarding something (in reply to Ricardo

Who transcribes with a pen? That’s just asking for trouble, even with a crossword puzzle.

As long as you don’t crowd the score, a few swipes with an eraser and you’re good to go.

Of course, if you're going to share it with others, it looks better with software, and you write it just once.
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Stu

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RE: Need advice regarding something (in reply to Norman Paul Kliman

I absolutely love transcribing. straight into guitar pro.
learned a hell of a lot from the process over the years... and learn the falseta etc whilst doing it.

I dont have so much time to do that these days so here's a question....
How is AI at flamenco transcription??
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devilhand

 

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RE: Need advice regarding something (in reply to metalhead

Whenever I find on youtube falseta that sounds good to me, I tab it. But I still haven't found the best software yet. It must be simple. I don't need time signature, time value or other fancy stuff. I need a good camera angle for left hand fingerings though.

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Stu

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RE: Need advice regarding something (in reply to devilhand

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I don't need time signature, time value or other fancy stuff


pencil and paper then!
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Mar. 31 2024 15:13:38
 
Ricardo

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RE: Need advice regarding something (in reply to Norman Paul Kliman

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As long as you don’t crowd the score, a few swipes with an eraser and you’re good to go.


Believe it or not, humanity has finally achieved the “erasable ink pen”, which I enjoy using. And there have been some pencil situations where the eraser makes a mess (maybe I press too hard). My point was when you discover the error on page 3 that affects everything previously back to page 2 somewhere. That is an easy fix in Guitar pro, but basically a do-over with pencil or pen.

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Mar. 31 2024 17:31:41
 
Norman Paul Kliman

 

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RE: Need advice regarding something (in reply to Ricardo

Oh, I hadn’t thought of that. I’ve never used or even seen one, as far as I know. I guess ink would be easier to see, but pencils work fine for me.

You know, most things have their pros and cons. In the event of a power outage, I might say gloatingly, “Where’s your score now? Ha-ha, all I need is light to use my hand-written tabs.” And there you go: e-scores have their own light (among other advantages).

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My point was when you discover the error on page 3 that affects everything previously back to page 2 somewhere.


What, like barlines or key signatures or something? That's happened to me, and it does indeed suck.
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metalhead

 

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RE: Need advice regarding something (in reply to Stu

Ai is a just a little above mediocre in everything right now, and pretty crap at transcribing music. But it's rapidly advancing; the next 5-10 years could see AIs doing most stuff even harder than transcription easily
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