Foro Flamenco


Posts Since Last Visit | Advanced Search | Home | Register | Login

Today's Posts | Inbox | Profile | Our Rules | Contact Admin | Log Out



Welcome to one of the most active flamenco sites on the Internet. Guests can read most posts but if you want to participate click here to register.

This site is dedicated to the memory of Paco de Lucía, Ron Mitchell, Guy Williams, Linda Elvira, Philip John Lee, Craig Eros, Ben Woods, David Serva and Tom Blackshear who went ahead of us.

We receive 12,200 visitors a month from 200 countries and 1.7 million page impressions a year. To advertise on this site please contact us.





Yamaha CG171SF discontinued?   You are logged in as Guest
Users viewing this topic: none
  Printable Version
All Forums >>Discussions >>Lutherie >> Page: [1] 2    >   >>
Login
Message<< Newer Topic  Older Topic >>
 
HolyEvil

Posts: 1240
Joined: Nov. 6 2008
From: Sydney, Australia

Yamaha CG171SF discontinued? 
Hi there guys, I was asking a local music store here in Sydney Australia called Allan's Music re: the Yamaha CG171SF as it's got some pretty good reviews here as a beginner's flamenco guitar.

However the guitar manager replied saying that the model has actually been discontinued and the last CG171SF that Yamaha brought in was last year.

So just wondering whether it's a international discontinuation or just Australia.

Anyone knows anything? Not sure where else can I get that student model in Australia..

cheers
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Nov. 17 2008 16:22:06
 
Pgh_flamenco

 

Posts: 1506
Joined: Dec. 5 2007
From: Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania

RE: Yamaha CG171SF discontinued? (in reply to HolyEvil) 
quote:

However the guitar manager replied saying that the model has actually been discontinued and the last CG171SF that Yamaha brought in was last year.


Say it isn't so... Hasn't anyone from Yamaha been on this site?
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Nov. 17 2008 16:29:21
 
ChiyoDad

Posts: 151
Joined: Jun. 30 2007
From: San Francisco Bay Area

RE: Yamaha CG171SF discontinued? (in reply to HolyEvil) 
Unlikely. The CG171SF is one of Yamaha's best-selling guitars worldwide. It's obviously still available from the online and B&M sellers.

The Yamaha website can also be inaccurate. I once called them because the CG201S was moved into the "Discontinued" category. The Yamaha USA rep told me they were still importing and selling it.

It's possible that supplies are limited to smaller retailers. Our local shop told me that it takes them 3-4 months to receive a special order for Yamaha guitars because they're not one of the "big players".

Why don't you call Yamaha Oz and ask them if any of their dealers have it?

http://www.yamahamusic.com.au/contact.asp

_____________________________
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Nov. 17 2008 20:21:46
 
HolyEvil

Posts: 1240
Joined: Nov. 6 2008
From: Sydney, Australia

RE: Yamaha CG171SF discontinued? (in reply to HolyEvil) 
Thanks for the heads up ChiyaDad. I'll give Yamaha Aus a call tomorrow.
I just go off the phone with the Yamaha Singapore (where I'm originally from),
and was informed that there's one CG171SF for sale in one Singapore store.

However, the person on the phone told me there's 2 versions of CG171SF. Made in Taiwan until last February which then was made in China. Is this true?

All the info that I got online was that the CG171SF was all made in China.
Anyone knows any different in the Taiwanese made vs China made versions?
Which one is superior to the other? my APX 6NA is made in Taiwan, and it feels pretty good, even after 10 years.

cheers
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Nov. 17 2008 21:59:46
 
ChiyoDad

Posts: 151
Joined: Jun. 30 2007
From: San Francisco Bay Area

RE: Yamaha CG171SF discontinued? (in reply to HolyEvil) 
quote:

ORIGINAL: HolyEvil
However, the person on the phone told me there's 2 versions of CG171SF. Made in Taiwan until last February which then was made in China. Is this true?


All lower-end Yamaha guitars were made in either Taiwan or Indonesia until 2007. Somewhere between 2006 and 2007, both of these facilities were transferred to China. Indonesia made mostly guitars with laminated tops. The Yamaha CG series was made in Taiwan.

http://chiyostrings.blogspot.com/2007/06/who-is-ymmi.html

My understanding was that some of the older CG171SF models from Taiwan had ebony fretboards. The last ones from Taiwan and the current ones from China have rosewood fretboards.

The first models of the CG171SF from Taiwan supposedly had backs and sides of laminated sycamore. Sometime after the CG171SF was launched, they switched to laminated cypress. The ones from China have laminated cypress. I was told that the core wood of these laminates is mahogany.

http://chiyostrings.blogspot.com/2008/04/review-yamaha-cg171sf-flamenco-guitar.html

The label will specify whether the guitar was made in Taiwan or in China.

You can decipher the serial number to find out exactly when your guitar was manufactured. See my blog post below.

http://chiyostrings.blogspot.com/2008/04/yamaha-serial-number-system.html

_____________________________
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Nov. 18 2008 6:03:50
 
HolyEvil

Posts: 1240
Joined: Nov. 6 2008
From: Sydney, Australia

RE: Yamaha CG171SF discontinued? (in reply to HolyEvil) 
A little update:

I just got off the phone with Yamaha Australia.
I was informed by the guitar division that Yamaha has discontinued their Flamenco guitars in Australia and worldwide. Not sure how true it is. Hopefully not as I'd like to get a beginners flamenco guitar somewhere early next year.
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Nov. 18 2008 21:30:12
 
ChiyoDad

Posts: 151
Joined: Jun. 30 2007
From: San Francisco Bay Area

RE: Yamaha CG171SF discontinued? (in reply to HolyEvil) 
Odd statement. I don't know how much credibility it deserves.

But who knows? Maybe they're doing a refresh of the entire CG line and we'll hear an announcement of a CG172SF by the 2009 NAMM (perhaps with a truss rod).

In any case, your dilemma is to find a good-quality beginners' instrument and it doesn't sound like the CG171SF is readily available in Oz right now. You may have to opt for a competing brand or simply convert a classical guitar until you can afford a good midrange flamenco guitar.

I don't know if the Cordoba C5 is sold down under. That would be one classical that I would consider converting. It'd make an interesting flamenca negra.

_____________________________
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Nov. 19 2008 5:30:53
 
HolyEvil

Posts: 1240
Joined: Nov. 6 2008
From: Sydney, Australia

RE: Yamaha CG171SF discontinued? (in reply to HolyEvil) 
Hi there ChiyoDad, when you say convert a classical, it just means lowering the action yeah? I'm just trying to find out what the direct competitors for the Yamaha CG171SF are.

cheers
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Nov. 19 2008 20:55:48
 
superboo

 

Posts: 25
Joined: Oct. 22 2008
From: San Francisco, CA

RE: Yamaha CG171SF discontinued? (in reply to HolyEvil) 
have you considered ordering online from somewhere else? they're all over the internet.
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Nov. 20 2008 23:35:57
 
Ricardo

Posts: 14806
Joined: Dec. 14 2004
From: Washington DC

RE: Yamaha CG171SF discontinued? (in reply to HolyEvil) 
My friend just got a new one ordered through guitar center I think here in US. But it was not the same. It was cutaway with electronics. Sounds and plays very nice.

Ricardo

_____________________________

CD's and transcriptions available here:
www.ricardomarlow.com
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Nov. 21 2008 12:09:42
 
ChiyoDad

Posts: 151
Joined: Jun. 30 2007
From: San Francisco Bay Area

RE: Yamaha CG171SF discontinued? (in reply to Ricardo) 
quote:

ORIGINAL: Ricardo

My friend just got a new one ordered through guitar center I think here in US. But it was not the same. It was cutaway with electronics.


That's the CG171SFC. Very good pick-up system. I believe it uses both an under-the-saddle pickup and an internal condenser microphone with a goose-neck.

_____________________________
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Nov. 21 2008 16:11:24
 
superboo

 

Posts: 25
Joined: Oct. 22 2008
From: San Francisco, CA

RE: Yamaha CG171SF discontinued? (in reply to HolyEvil) 
the musician's friend holiday sale has begun and the cg171sf has dropped from $349.99 USD to $299.99 USD. I just emailed them and expect to receive the difference in price as they guarantee retroactive price matching for 45 days after shipping (mine shipped 31 days ago). excellent deal, if you ask me.
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Nov. 21 2008 23:18:53
 
prnvalium

 

Posts: 12
Joined: Dec. 13 2008
 

RE: Yamaha CG171SF discontinued? (in reply to HolyEvil) 
I saw one on ebay australia about a month ago for around $600, buy it now for $750. Actually it was a Yamaha CGX-171SCX.
I think the guy must have sold it privately because he withdrew the listing, but he noted that they weren't going to be available in Oz until mid 2009. Not sure if that helps, since you already contacted Yamaha.
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Dec. 13 2008 16:46:08
 
nasdaq

 

Posts: 19
Joined: Feb. 15 2009
 

RE: Yamaha CG171SF discontinued? (in reply to prnvalium) 
I have a brand new Yamaha Flamenco for sale in Australia for $690 delivered.
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Feb. 25 2009 2:43:46
 
HolyEvil

Posts: 1240
Joined: Nov. 6 2008
From: Sydney, Australia

RE: Yamaha CG171SF discontinued? (in reply to nasdaq) 
Hi there Nasdaq.. didn't you just posted a 'wtb' for this guitar a few days back? and now you're selling one?

cheers
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Feb. 25 2009 4:16:20
 
Arash

Posts: 4495
Joined: Aug. 9 2006
From: Iran (living in Germany)

RE: Yamaha CG171SF discontinued? (in reply to HolyEvil) 
quote:

ORIGINAL: HolyEvil

Hi there Nasdaq.. didn't you just posted a 'wtb' for this guitar a few days back? and now you're selling one?

cheers


This is called Guerilla marketing

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guerilla_marketing

_____________________________
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Feb. 25 2009 6:28:03
 
gounaro1174

 

Posts: 16
Joined: Dec. 23 2008
 

RE: Yamaha CG171SF discontinued? (in reply to Arash) 
They're all over Ebay for 199 dollars.... Check it out!!!!
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Feb. 25 2009 7:25:41
 
Arash

Posts: 4495
Joined: Aug. 9 2006
From: Iran (living in Germany)

RE: Yamaha CG171SF discontinued? (in reply to gounaro1174) 
quote:

ORIGINAL: gounaro1174

They're all over Ebay for 199 dollars.... Check it out!!!!


There is no yamaha CG171SF for 199$ on ebay.

_____________________________
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Feb. 25 2009 8:09:45
 
gounaro1174

 

Posts: 16
Joined: Dec. 23 2008
 

RE: Yamaha CG171SF discontinued? (in reply to Arash) 
Are you sure? You checked all nation's ebay?
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Feb. 26 2009 7:32:01
 
Arash

Posts: 4495
Joined: Aug. 9 2006
From: Iran (living in Germany)

RE: Yamaha CG171SF discontinued? (in reply to gounaro1174) 
quote:

ORIGINAL: gounaro1174

Are you sure? You checked all nation's ebay?


well i checked the most common ones,,,,,.com, co.uk., es, com.au , de ..
maybe you could show me just one yamaha with this price?
i have seen 299 in the past but 199? that seams really too cheap,,even for a yamaha

_____________________________
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Feb. 26 2009 9:12:43
 
gounaro1174

 

Posts: 16
Joined: Dec. 23 2008
 

RE: Yamaha CG171SF discontinued? (in reply to Arash) 
Maybe its my mistaket.... Whats your opinion in new Anders blanca....???
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Feb. 26 2009 11:08:48
 
ChiyoDad

Posts: 151
Joined: Jun. 30 2007
From: San Francisco Bay Area

RE: Yamaha CG171SF discontinued? (in reply to HolyEvil) 
$299 in the US is usually as good as it gets when buying new (unless you're good friends with the shop owner ).

_____________________________
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Feb. 26 2009 11:26:47
 
nasdaq

 

Posts: 19
Joined: Feb. 15 2009
 

RE: Yamaha CG171SF discontinued? (in reply to HolyEvil) 
yes i brought another flamenco locally and also brought a yamaha from ebay, i'm selling the yamaha now brand new.
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Feb. 27 2009 0:46:58
 
andresito

Posts: 377
Joined: Feb. 20 2007
From: New Holland

RE: Yamaha CG171SF discontinued? (in reply to HolyEvil) 
Saw this on eBay today if you are intent on buying jap crap jk

http://cgi.ebay.com.au/Yamaha-CG171SF-Flamenco-Guitar-CG171-SF-New-Boxed_W0QQitemZ130291895870QQcmdZViewItemQQptZAU_Musical_Instruments_Instruments?hash=item130291895870&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=66%3A2%7C65%3A1%7C39%3A1%7C240%3A1318

_____________________________

¡este arbol tiene duende, cabron!
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Mar. 11 2009 1:37:24
 
ChiyoDad

Posts: 151
Joined: Jun. 30 2007
From: San Francisco Bay Area

RE: Yamaha CG171SF discontinued? (in reply to andresito) 
quote:

ORIGINAL: andresito

Saw this on eBay today if you are intent on buying jap crap jk


That's nasdaq's auction for his used guitar.

AU$645 = US$418. The Yamahas sure are expensive down under.

_____________________________
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Mar. 11 2009 10:04:16
 
andresito

Posts: 377
Joined: Feb. 20 2007
From: New Holland

RE: Yamaha CG171SF discontinued? (in reply to ChiyoDad) 
quote:

ORIGINAL: ChiyoDad
AU$645 = US$418. The Yamahas sure are expensive down under.

yes, the exchange rate isn't too great these days, July would have been the time to buy one from the States. But I think they have always been around that price in Aus.

_____________________________

¡este arbol tiene duende, cabron!
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Mar. 11 2009 19:07:37
 
andresito

Posts: 377
Joined: Feb. 20 2007
From: New Holland

RE: Yamaha CG171SF discontinued? (in reply to HolyEvil) 
quote:

ORIGINAL: HolyEvil
Anyone knows anything? Not sure where else can I get that student model in Australia..

If you don't have any luck with the Yamaha, maybe see if you can play one of these in a shop, about the only other student 'flamenco' thing going for less than $1000. Really more like a bright classical, but nice to play and with some nut/saddle adjustment and the right strings it could work for you
http://www.haworthguitars.com.au/control/product/~category_id=501/~product_id=admira-19490;jsessionid=458h4v1uja4

http://www.shiremusic.com.au/site/index.cfm?module=STORETIGER&bit=products&product_id=182716&cart_id=F8A4AD06-A8D8-33F4-66B1C636D11D66A5

_____________________________

¡este arbol tiene duende, cabron!
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Mar. 11 2009 19:21:52
 
kovachian

Posts: 506
Joined: Jan. 30 2008
From: Americanistan

RE: Yamaha CG171SF discontinued? (in reply to HolyEvil) 
My CG171SF will very likely be going up for sale once my Francisco Navarro arrives from La Falseta. I'll gladly ship to Oz or anywhere else in the world, but shipping charges could get ugly.

_____________________________

Don't look at me in that tone of voice.
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Mar. 11 2009 19:37:25
 
HolyEvil

Posts: 1240
Joined: Nov. 6 2008
From: Sydney, Australia

RE: Yamaha CG171SF discontinued? (in reply to HolyEvil) 
Hey there, thanks for the offer but I'm all set now. My 171sf is arriving this Sunday. Going to get a bone saddle put on next week. Hopfully lowering both action on 12 fret n distance between strings n body of guitar over the soundhole.

Cheers
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Mar. 12 2009 1:05:26
 
andresito

Posts: 377
Joined: Feb. 20 2007
From: New Holland

RE: Yamaha CG171SF discontinued? (in reply to HolyEvil) 
If anyone down under is still furtively searching for the mythical Yamaha CG171-SF, may I suggest you first check out one of Katoh's new range
http://westwoodguitarcompany.com/Katoh_Classical_Guitars.htm
I bashed out some bulerias chords on the flamenco model in the shop and it was impressive, especially for the price. Nice to play, light, and loud.

disclaimer: I have no connection business or otherwise with Katoh guitars

_____________________________

¡este arbol tiene duende, cabron!
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Sep. 21 2009 3:50:29
Page:   [1] 2    >   >>
All Forums >>Discussions >>Lutherie >> Page: [1] 2    >   >>
Jump to:

New Messages No New Messages
Hot Topic w/ New Messages Hot Topic w/o New Messages
Locked w/ New Messages Locked w/o New Messages
 Post New Thread
 Reply to Message
 Post New Poll
 Submit Vote
 Delete My Own Post
 Delete My Own Thread
 Rate Posts


Forum Software powered by ASP Playground Advanced Edition 2.0.5
Copyright © 2000 - 2003 ASPPlayground.NET

0.078125 secs.