RE: Flamenco Piano (real flamenco)

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guitarbuddha

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Joined: Jan. 4 2007

RE: Flamenco Piano (real flamenco) (in reply to mark74)

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ORIGINAL: mark74

Andalusia, while the piano was imported from northern Europe and imposed upon the people as a symbol of aristocratic Christian culture

I love the guitar but there is a lot about the piano of which I am jealous.

I wish someone had imposed one on me.

I think that happened to some of my friends, in a dream.

D.

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Bliblablub

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Joined: Oct. 9 2013

RE: Flamenco Piano (real flamenco) (in reply to mark74)

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ORIGINAL: mark74

Even when theyre playing phrygian scales it seems it loses some of its Moorish essence on the piano. It becomes more like a classical composer creating a study based on a Spanish dance than the actual Spanish dance.

After all the guitar evolved out of the Oud right there in the streets of Andalusia, while the piano was imported from northern Europe and imposed upon the people as a symbol of aristocratic Christian culture

I dont care where the piano comes from or whether the guitar evolved from the oud or not. Diego Amador plays better than your average flamenco guitarist and it is noticeable in the amazing sound he produces.

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Erik van Goch

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Joined: Jul. 17 2012
From: Netherlands

RE: Flamenco Piano (real flamenco) (in reply to mark74)

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ORIGINAL: mark74

After all the guitar evolved out of the Oud right there in the streets of Andalusia, while the piano was imported from northern Europe and imposed upon the people as a symbol of aristocratic Christian culture

Were do you think the Oud came from? Wasn't that imported as well? On top the guitar did not evolve out of the Oud but is in a funny way a child of Spain's Christian cultured resistance against the moorish shaped lute.

Our first (western) written source of Spanisch medieval instruments is a book called "Cantigas de Santa Maria" (ca 1270) showing various instruments known in Spain at that very moment. Amongst them were the round shaped Guitarra Morisca and the flat Guitarra Latina. The Guitarra Latina is officially considered to be the direct ancestor of the guitar, it had 4 double strings tuned "dgbe". During the renaissance the moorish based lute became very popular in the whole of europa, except in Spain were around 1500 it was structurally replaced by the Vihuela. I guess the lute became an instrument non grata in Spain because it's round shape was regarded to be a symbol of the former arab conquerers, so shortly after the last Moors were kicked out of Spain so was the lute(shape) which was structurally replaced by the Vihuela, basically a Guitarra Latina with added strings on both sides A(dgbe)a, copying the tuning of the lute but avoiding its moorish shape. This relative tuning was practiced in various keys including ead#fbe (rondeña tuning). In Spanish Christian paintings even the angels started playing the Vihuela in stead of the lute after 1500. During the 16th century the Guitarra Latina itself (dgbe) remained a very popular folk instrument and was simply called Guitarra. During the Baroque another Spanisch string instrument evolved from it by adding a fifth string a(dgbe). This instrument was called Guitarra Española, which also referred to the way it was played (with lots of rasguedos). In spain it soon replaced the (lute replacing) Vihuela. After 1750 gradually a 6th string was added e(adgbe) and around 1800 the double strings became 6 single strings. Last step was that it's shape gradually evolved into the shape we know today as the guitar. So one evolutionary line of the medieval Guitarra Latina imitated the lute by adding a string on both sides of the instrument making it a Vihuela A(dgbe)a, wile another evolutionary line lead to the guitar by gradually adding additional strings to the base side over time: Guitarra Latina (dgbe)>Guitarra Española a(dgbe)>Guitar e(adgbe).

This one looks a bit like the guitarra latina using 4 single strings in stead of 4 double ones