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Hi Flamencos, I'm learning from a cd a version of Zambra and would like to find out more about this branch of Flamenco. I have a couple of other versions on cd, one being J. Martin's (Zambra-Tangos). I've asked several people about zambra and not learned any more then I already knew. Dancers I've spoken to know nothing of the dance.
Photog
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Date Apr. 30 2004 10:48:31
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Richard Jernigan
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From: Austin, Texas USA
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RE: Zambra (in reply to Escribano)
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Most or the prominent soloists of the Sabicas/Ricardo/Escudero era had pieces they called Zambra, more or less. Generally they were in straight 4/4 time, drop D tuning, Phrygian mode, with a bass that tended toward D-A-d-A...The record jackets of the day often said they were derived from a Moorish harem dance, but the record jackets of the day were as much derived from creative introspection as from fact.
Interestingly enough, at a fashionable night club in the outskirts of Tangier in the late '70s, the band played a piece of the same type. It would have sounded right in place on a Nino Ricardo disc. The band was a typical Moorish band with oud, fiddle held vertically on the knee, the small and large hand drums. The leader played electric guitar, but in a very oud-like way. The Moroccan women in our party were dressed in the latest from Paris or Madrid, but when they heard the piece their maids pulled shawls out of their big handbags and tied them around the ladies' waists. The women then got up and danced in their custom Ferragamo shoes, with motions closely approximating what is called a belly dance in the USA. The maids remained seated but accompanied with complex palmas and occasional ululations.
Quite a few flamencos spent time in La Moreria (Morocco) and quite a few Moroccans have worked in Andalucia for a while. Did the flamencos cop the piece from a Moorish harem dance? How would they have gotten into the harem in the first place? Or is it a fairly popular Moroccan type of piece that the flamencos adapted? Or did the Moroccans cop it off a Nino Ricardo recording? Who knows, at this point--it could be either way.
RNJ
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Date May 3 2004 2:21:51
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RE: Zambra (in reply to Kate)
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However there are Moorish writings that prove without doubt that the Gitanos were already in Andalucia. quote:
However there are Moorish writings that prove without doubt that the Gitanos were already in Andalucia.
Oh Yes??? What are they?
Sean
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Date May 3 2004 14:55:00
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Kate
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Joined: Jul. 8 2003
From: Living in Granada, Andalucía
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RE: Zambra (in reply to Guest)
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Cartas Marruecas: documentos de Marruecos en archivos espanoles ( Siglos XVl - XVll) Not that I've actually read it of course.
While doing a google search to see if I could find anything else along these lines I came across this, fascinating stuff.
"Spain
Chinese Records/ Claims
• The Chinese had traded with Europe since the Song Dynasty. In Zhu Fan Zhi (Description of various barbarians) by Zhao Ru Kua (1170 - 1228 A.D.) there is a chapter about “Mulanpi Kingdom”, identified by Rockhill as the Al Murabitum kingdom of Spain. In Ming Shi (History of Ming Dynasty) in the 'Foreign Countries chapter it says "... Year 6 (1408) Zheng He went to Hormuz (Persian Gulf) and other foreign countries, returned home in year 8 (1410). The countries visited but which did not return tribute are listed as an appendix..." This appendix lists "Mayidong, Kalimanjan, Misr (Cairo) , Mulanpi, Kilin, Sunha...” There are vivid descriptions of the Chinese junks leaving Damietta (Nile Delta) and setting sail west across the Mediterranean for Spain. We believe Mulanpi to be Granada. "
In the same report it shows that the Gypsies of Granada have Chinese DNA.
Likewise the Gypsies have long been traded as slaves and mercenaries and the following shows they were taken to the Middle East long before the Moors arrived in Spain.
"1001-1026. Sindh and the Panjab in India are invaded some seventeen times by a mixed army of Turko-Persian Ghaznivid troops led by King Mahmud from Ghazni (present-day eastern Iran). Indian resistance, in the form of the Rajput warriors, is fierce, but King Mahmud is victorious and takes half a million slaves."
"The role of Gypsies in the military forces of early Islamic sultanates is almost entirely unacknowledged in Romani Studies, but their presence as Sindhi and Rajput warriors in the armies of Mahmud of Ghazni is attested to by al-Utbi and other Arabic historians of the period (EI2, 1986), whilst other sources suggest that they may have been a consistent component of these forces throughout."
Although it assumed that Ferdinand and Isobel brought the Gypsies to Andalucia, it is equally probable they came with the Moors. In Maghrebi Arabic (Morocco), "zambra" means party
Kate
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Date May 3 2004 16:22:40
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Date May 4 2004 11:07:46
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RE: Zambra (in reply to Billyboy)
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Thanks Kate/Billyboy and everyone. Sorry I didn't reply earlier, I haven't an internet connection at home and have to use cafe's or other peoples.
Photog
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Date May 6 2004 15:20:49
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