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duende

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RE: A 2008 challenge? (in reply to jshelton5040) 
never tryed that, it could work

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RE: A 2008 challenge? (in reply to Ailsa) 
He seems like a really capable and pleasant instructor. You are lucly to have him accessable to you.
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Pimientito

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RE: A 2008 challenge? (in reply to Florian) 
Hey Flo
Glad you took my comment as a positive and not a negative - also awesome picado video you posted - I think the real reason you dont want to do this challenge is that you'll just find it too easy....you dont want to humiliate the rest of us...respect to you Bro!


Ok - a real question now. First falseta not bad now, still working out which rasgeo to use for the mad bit ( think I'll cheat!)
The 2cd falseta which is sort of Alzapua. I cant work out how to start it so it fits in compas. The first triplet is obviously starting on the 12 but the first 2 notes-
1. Am i counting 10..11..and then go into the first triplet or
2. 11..+..then into the first triplet
It would help if i knew exactly what beat of the last compas I finish on. I think its 9 and then into 10 and 11 with the first 2 notes (I know some of you guys dont like counting but this would really help)
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Jan. 22 2008 5:45:35
 
duende

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RE: A 2008 challenge? (in reply to duende) 
Pimientito.

The 2nd falseta is the long alzapua ? the thing is, it´s not a triplet alzapua.
its the same movment in the thumb but its eight notes and not triplets.

lets make a webcam vid i´ll do it now with a slow compas loop

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Jan. 22 2008 5:50:46
 
Pimientito

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RE: A 2008 challenge? (in reply to duende) 
Hi Henrik. I wasnt really counting the rasgeo as a falseta, just a rhymic break...so yeah I am talking about the next falsata which is that sort of (pseudo) alzapua. When i say triplet I mean the 3rd 4th and 5th notes of the falseta. Once you get into the pattern its Ok
I get how its done but its where to start. Where do those first 2 notes go? I just checked Ricardos vid again and it looks like he does a full compas up to 10 and then starts the falseta on 11.

I have a web cam. What program do i need to make a vid??...Yes i really am that stupid!
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Jan. 22 2008 5:57:15
 
duende

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RE: A 2008 challenge? (in reply to duende) 
if you use windows you got windows moviemaker if not, maybe you can download some free program?

are you talking about the hardly audibel notes in the beginning of the alzapua?
Faucher leves these out of his trascription. maybe its safe to look at ricardo?

it sounds a bit like

10---&-11-&12-------------------------------------------
------3-------3----------------------------------
------3-------3-----------------------------------
------3-2-0--2-0---------------------------------------
--------------------4-------------------------------
---------------------------------------------------

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Jan. 22 2008 6:23:28
 
Ricardo

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RE: A 2008 challenge? (in reply to Ron.M) 
quote:

A-G-F-G-A-Bf-C-D-C-Bf-A-C-Bf

That's a killer for me!


Yeah that is tough. A twister for the rh hand fingers to alternate. I usually mess up at least one note from that.


quote:

I'm not of course 100% sure that's how it's done but Paco de Lucia has a single note melody (every 2 beats - 12, 2, 4, 6, 8, 10, 12, 2, 4 & 6) that stands out from the rasgueado and this is a way it can be done.


Cool idea, and sounds good when he does at medium speed. Problem is the taps are not always the same like he does it. Only the first half compas like that, then the taps are on 7,10, 1 and should be 4. I am pretty sure the way I did it is the way (i mean the slow version because I still can't do it at tempo).


quote:

I just checked Ricardos vid again and it looks like he does a full compas up to 10 and then starts the falseta on 11.


Yeah sorry forgot to do that tricky spot slow. it was tough because you start it on the contra (between 10 and 11) so it feels synchopated, and you have NO TIME AT ALL to prepare if you choose to do a rasgueado on 10. The way I "cheat" on it is to do that open D string as a pull off rather than double thumb stroke. down-up-pull off, down-up-C note, down-up-Bb note, etc.
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Jan. 22 2008 6:34:59
 
Ailsa

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RE: A 2008 challenge? (in reply to Gummy) 
quote:

ORIGINAL: Gummy
He seems like a really capable and pleasant instructor. You are lucky to have him accessable to you.


Yes he is. And yes I am.

But my favourite thing about learning with him is that he makes me believe that if I keep working at it I will be able to do it one day! That keeps me going on the days I think about giving it up as a hopeless job, and selling my guitar on Ebay......
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Jan. 22 2008 6:40:44
 
Pimientito

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RE: A 2008 challenge? (in reply to duende) 
Thats right, thats what it sounds like...thats sort how i feel it should be 'cos it fits in with the rest of the falseta...it would be easier that way.
Faucher doesnt leave those notes out, he tabs them on the previous page as

---------
--3---3-
--3---3-
--0---0-
---------
---------

with down/up with the thumb. Now its the last group of 2 so that indicates the falseta starts on 12....so that first golpe downstroke is a 12.....right? Not an 11!....guys?
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Jan. 22 2008 6:49:28
 
duende

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RE: A 2008 challenge? (in reply to duende) 
Pimientito

yes sir thats the way i play it when it starts, but it sounds like theres more going on.

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Jan. 22 2008 6:53:57
 
Pimientito

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RE: A 2008 challenge? (in reply to Pimientito) 
Hmm....I've just got what you are talking about. Theres the way faucher tabs it (which i am sure is wrong now) and what you guys are talking about, which makes more sense.
Henrik, I substituted your bit for Fauchers and it works much better...if Paco didnt record that...he should have!
Ok so dont do a full compas....finish around 8 and come in on 10 and a half and that second pull off on the D string is the 12. From there the falseta is sort of self working.
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Jan. 22 2008 6:56:50
 
Ricardo

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RE: A 2008 challenge? (in reply to Pimientito) 
quote:

From there the falseta is sort of self working.


Actually, I had more trouble on the turn around where it repeats. On count 6 the rh pattern changes so the single note, not the chord strum has the heavy beat, and that happens because of a thumb "bouncing" note, from Bb-A. Then to get back into it, you have this:
6-A string open
&-A chord strum down
7- up strum
&-C# note 4th fret
8-Down strum
&-up
9-A note open again
&-down
10-up
& -Down stroke Bb/F chord (this is the start over)
11-up
&-D string open (I do a pull off cheat here)
12-C9/E down strum

Hope that helps.
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Jan. 22 2008 7:42:36
 
Florian

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RE: A 2008 challenge? (in reply to Pimientito) 
quote:

I think the real reason you dont want to do this challenge is that you'll just find it too easy....you dont want to humiliate the rest of us...respect to you Bro


God i cant hide anything from you can I Pimientito ?, its not fair how much you know me

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Jan. 22 2008 8:12:50
 
Ron.M

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RE: A 2008 challenge? (in reply to Ricardo) 
Good input everyone!

I'm not crazy about arty-farty review programs, but there is a really good program on BBC Radio 4 called "Book Club", where guests are given a book to read and think about, then discuss it on the program.
(Note that the guests are "given" a book to read and don't "choose" one! )
The books range from novels to revisiting important modern Classics like "Catch22" etc.
The guests are made up from writers (some famous) and generally people who love writing and reading books.
They then discuss the book in "technical terms", like the development of the characters, the prose style, the choice of words in particular sentences, the "mechanics", the idiosyncracies of the author etc.... Fascinating IMO!

That's what I like about all the knowledgeable people on the Forum taking a close look at an old Classic (which obviously has not been completely deciphered) and forming a view on it in the 21st century.
Sure, everybody has to get on with their own day to day development and their own goals, but I think it's fun that all these different ideas on technique etc are coming in.

It's quite a while till December...so who knows who will eventually crack the "ultimate" Foro Tempul!!

cheers,

Ron

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Jan. 22 2008 8:58:46
 
Pimientito

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RE: A 2008 challenge? (in reply to Ricardo) 
quote:


Hope that helps.


Thats the bit i find OK. I cheat too with pull offs (I dont think its cheating...it sounds good and is more comfortable). Its the start bit. If you put the same bit at the start as the turnaround bit in the middle(ie. just play that phrase twice) it seems to fit better......or just start on 12 with the 2cd pull off like this

------------
---3-------
---3-------
---2^0---
----------3
-----------

Its sort of cheating but it fits!
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Jan. 22 2008 10:07:39
 
Ricardo

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RE: A 2008 challenge? (in reply to Pimientito) 
quote:

ORIGINAL: Pimientito

quote:


Hope that helps.


Thats the bit i find OK. I cheat too with pull offs (I dont think its cheating...it sounds good and is more comfortable). Its the start bit. If you put the same bit at the start as the turnaround bit in the middle(ie. just play that phrase twice) it seems to fit better......or just start on 12 with the 2cd pull off like this

------------
---3-------
---3-------
---2^0---
----------3
-----------

Its sort of cheating but it fits!


OK, but that is not really what is played there starting from count 12. It is alzapua, you strum the chord 233, down then up. Then the 3(C), then the down up again but with d string open, then 1st fret Bb, then down up again, then G on 3rd fret 6th string, then down and up, then Bb (first fret) then A open (thumb bounces). And the rest I wrote above. So i do only ONE pull off in the beginning, and technically you should bounce the thumb there again.

This is really hard to get across verbally...maybe I will make another vid slow...

Ricardo
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Jan. 22 2008 10:17:15
 
duende

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RE: A 2008 challenge? (in reply to duende) 
video video video! we like thoes things around here

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Jan. 22 2008 16:43:52
 
Pimientito

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RE: A 2008 challenge? (in reply to Ricardo) 
quote:



This is really hard to get across verbally...maybe I will make another vid slow...

Ricardo


Yes please...I thought you were explaining string theory again at one point
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Jan. 22 2008 19:58:53
 
duende

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RE: A 2008 challenge? (in reply to duende) 
another practice video not very good



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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Jan. 23 2008 1:22:22
 
MarkMc

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RE: A 2008 challenge? (in reply to duende) 
Great job Henrik!

Thanks for sharing. You have great rhythm man.
Nice guitar too!

Oh, I like your little friend at 03:03, hehe...

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Jan. 23 2008 1:41:08
 
Ron.M

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RE: A 2008 challenge? (in reply to duende) 
I think you got it all there Henrik!
Hey I really like the nice evenly spaced picados!

Damn cat!! .....Just at the very bit I needed to see the fingering!!

cheers,

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Jan. 23 2008 1:53:02
 
Ricardo

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RE: A 2008 challenge? (in reply to duende) 
quote:

ORIGINAL: duende

another practice video not very good




Awesome work man! Now we got a real thing going here!

Yeah that alzapua spot is really different from what I am doing. You got that from Faucher? You start it like the one on Impetu, then it changes I think...the pull offs and stuff do sound cool too. I would not change a thing if I were you!

Ricardo
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Jan. 23 2008 3:40:12
 
Pimientito

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RE: A 2008 challenge? (in reply to Ron.M) 
Olé - GATO DE LUCIA!!
Thanks Henrik. You ve got it, just a few weeks of practice now. I see now how youve come in on that second falseta. Also, i like your fingering on the third, Im going to fiddle around with mine a bit now
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Jan. 23 2008 3:41:47
 
duende

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RE: A 2008 challenge? (in reply to duende) 
its hard doing the golpes on the rasgueado sequence (i a i) i left them out here

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Jan. 23 2008 3:49:46
 
Florian

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RE: A 2008 challenge? (in reply to duende) 
I must say been listening to it trying to pick a couple of falsetas i wanna do, parts of it are growing on me.

i like that crazy rasqueado at the start and also the change into the diff key falseta

so i might do the intro up to the crazy rasqueado and some of the rithm following it, leave the middle out and the changing falseta at 02:45 to the end.

did i pick the eazyest parts ? havent tried playing any yet.

whats going on with the foro lately ? why is it down every other second ?

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duende

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RE: A 2008 challenge? (in reply to duende) 
damn it! now i know the last part, i have to make a new vid

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Jan. 23 2008 4:14:20
 
Pimientito

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RE: A 2008 challenge? (in reply to duende) 
I uploaded my very rough version on the uploads section under 2008 challenge.
This is first version. (Wow this is scary letting people hear work in progress) Ok its full of errors but thats mainly due to memory. There are 2 shameful cockups where i completely forgot the falsetas but at least i got to the end. By the way...this is two goes stuck together...I completely forgot the middle part. Boy thats a hard piece!!! The main thing is now i have actually learned it, to see how it improves in the next month or 2 (lets face it, it cant get worse)
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Jan. 23 2008 5:10:46
 
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RE: A 2008 challenge? (in reply to duende) 
Great Henrik!!, you and Ricardo are making it a lot easier to learn it, if not play it!! I'm making progress, but so much slower than you guys. Lucky I have a year. Hopefully someone will come up with a great challenge for next year too, but not now! I'm going need a lot of time to make a run at this one. I've got old and cold hands.
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Jan. 23 2008 5:16:13
 
Pimientito

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RE: A 2008 challenge? (in reply to Ricardo) 
Question, there is another variation in the last falseta, the A minor one, where on an old video(with the black background and the funny cube thing) he plays a nice (and longer) run to get back from E to Aminor again. Its kind of chromatic from A on the first string descending. Do you know it and can you quickly tab it? THX

PS - Flo, you didnt pick all the easy bits. That last falseta where you have to get all the ornamental notes in the picado is a pig!
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RE: A 2008 challenge? (in reply to Pimientito) 
can you upload the video or link so that I can see which part is it pls?
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