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HemeolaMan

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Alegrias in E realbook 

here's a few versions, revised and improved by henrik, of the Alegrias in E so far.

for those of you with browsers other than IE:

i will post in gp5. click the link, click the link in the box that pops up, copy the url. open gp, paste into the address bar of the "open" thinger.
if you need a gp 4 i'd be happy to post it

please offer commentary and revisions. Basic is what we are getting at:

Outlines the harmonies well (esp in falsetas, though i would advise excluding them unless they are really simple)

Is not too technical

Is 1-2 pages 3 at most

Is very exemplary of traditional pieces.

accessable for new audiences

clean and organized, one compas per line is best

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HemeolaMan

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RE: Alegrias in E realbook (in reply to HemeolaMan

here is a more basic version

there are others which henrik may choose to post later, but those are not up for revision, they are good to go =)

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Jan. 5 2008 10:43:35
 
mrMagenta

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RE: Alegrias in E realbook (in reply to HemeolaMan

beginners don't have a lot of experience of which rasgueados to use where, especially when tackling a new palo, so if that could somehow show in the score it would be very helpful. i know gp5 is bad when it comes to right hand fingerings and that stroke directions make things a bit messy.. but on the other hand, you wouldn't need to show all strokes, only the ones that need extra notice, once for each type of occurence.
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duende

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RE: Alegrias in E realbook (in reply to HemeolaMan

hey i´ve seem to have lost the ability to change tempo in my updated guitar pro 5.2
anmybody knows where it has gone?

i can change the tempo at the start but i cant chage it in the middle of the tune if a section should be half tempo or something

Henrik H

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Jan. 5 2008 18:19:18
 
duende

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RE: Alegrias in E realbook (in reply to HemeolaMan

...and does anybody have an escobilla in E? in gp or pwt im to lazy to tab one

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Jan. 5 2008 20:49:20
 
Florian

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RE: Alegrias in E realbook (in reply to duende

I can tab one but what is the point of it beeing in gp or pwr ?? its gonna be pdf anyway.

I can make it in table edit and print it to jpeg.

want me to make audio for it too ?

ps, i cant see the what you guys allready have

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Jan. 5 2008 21:22:41
 
Ailsa

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RE: Alegrias in E realbook (in reply to HemeolaMan

I really wanna contribute here guys but can't open gp5. Any chance of a boring old pdf?
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Jan. 5 2008 21:52:08
 
duende

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RE: Alegrias in E realbook (in reply to Florian

quote:

what is the point of it beeing in gp or pwr ?? its gonna be pdf anyway.



cause i make it in Gp5. and wouldnt it be good if the "book" can be played thru gp5
so people can lisen to it.

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Jan. 5 2008 22:28:26
 
mrMagenta

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RE: Alegrias in E realbook (in reply to HemeolaMan

i think we ought to pin down a score format that we like. perhaps find some transcriptions that are clear and make our own template in finale from them. i can help out with this if you like. for instance, i could do without the note staff if i get to keep rhythmic notation, a classically trained person might feel differently, but more importantly i want clear right hand markings! which finger to use for a stroke and in which direction. that's essential to me as a beginner. this alegria. i could play it in a number of ways, but to make it sound like an alegria i would benefit from knowing how henrik uses his right hand, especially when doing this archetypical thing, even if there are many good alternatives to play the notes differently. so i get the fake book thing, with only skeleton melodies etc, but in flamenco there are often "skeleton rasgueados" for the fundamental compases, right?

another example of a personal preference
in gp5 score even if i hold down a full chord, i prefer when only the ringing notes are written, for instance if i'm doing an i-finger upstroke my finger might only play the three first strings, but the score says, if interpreted literally: play like a tank! every string must move. i think that is unhelpful. especially when some rasgueados are best executed with the thumb resting on one of the strings you're supposed to play.

sound and video is a huge help too. but a well marked score takes care of many confusions that slip by.
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Jan. 6 2008 2:09:46
 
mrMagenta

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RE: Alegrias in E realbook (in reply to HemeolaMan

here's how i'm trying to show what's going on with the right hand without actually marking each stroke using gp5. this is the first page of a transcription of a typical tangos. (i don't play it with so many i down strokes anymore)

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Jan. 6 2008 2:31:22
 
HemeolaMan

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RE: Alegrias in E realbook (in reply to HemeolaMan

There are reasons I chose to do this in Gp5

firstly, It's universal. If you don't have gp4 or 5, its easily attainable in a less than legal way, but simple nontheless.

gp5 exports pdf's and gp4's making it more versatile

it takes less time entering tab than sibelius or finale

not everyone has sibelius or finale

and most importantly, If i post a section or a piece, and it is incorrect, people can easily make changes and submit it!!!

to those of you who were unable to open it, did you follow my instructions on the first post?

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Jan. 6 2008 4:24:43
 
Ailsa

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RE: Alegrias in E realbook (in reply to HemeolaMan

quote:

ORIGINAL: HemeolaMan
its easily attainable in a less than legal way, but simple nontheless.


I'd prefer the legal way (unless it means giving loads more money to Bill Gates, cos he doesn't need any more). What programme do you need?
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Jan. 6 2008 6:39:52
 
flamenco_9

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RE: Alegrias in E realbook (in reply to HemeolaMan

hii HemeolaMan
HemeolaMan can you upload it in gp4!
thank you!
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Jan. 6 2008 8:11:22
 
HemeolaMan

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RE: Alegrias in E realbook (in reply to flamenco_9

heres the gp4

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Jan. 6 2008 10:52:19
 
Florian

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RE: Alegrias in E realbook (in reply to HemeolaMan

I dont get it, i have gp5

yet i can never download the stuff here

i cant get the gp5 or gp4

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mrMagenta

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RE: Alegrias in E realbook (in reply to HemeolaMan

it works if you do like hemeola writes in the first post. open the link from inside gp5. i think you might need gp5.2 for the gp5 files that hemeola posts. if you have a legal copy you can do the update automatically from the program :D
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Jan. 6 2008 20:30:11
 
Florian

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RE: Alegrias in E realbook (in reply to mrMagenta

yes sorry, missed that part, it should work now.

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Jan. 6 2008 21:08:04
 
Georg

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RE: Alegrias in E realbook (in reply to Ailsa

I'd also propose to have pdf files perhaps together with midi files, because everybody can watch and listen to it. I think we could even make mp3s.

With this book being for beginners, I would not expect that everybody has gp5 or knows how to get it.
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Jan. 7 2008 2:46:13
 
mrMagenta

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RE: Alegrias in E realbook (in reply to HemeolaMan

i agree
ultimate combo is pdf + mp3. sometimes listening to gp5 playback gives the totally wrong idea because you don't get any swing etc. anyway.. if we get some cool person to actually record the mp3 i will offer to do graphical work with the score, that is, if we want a "foro flamenco" score format.
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Jan. 7 2008 3:40:14
 
HemeolaMan

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RE: Alegrias in E realbook (in reply to HemeolaMan

I am posting a how-to and screenshots pdf on how to open gp files from the foro

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Jan. 7 2008 6:31:10
 
johnguitars

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RE: Alegrias in E realbook (in reply to HemeolaMan

Hey! I have never been able to download GP3-4-5 etc.. format files from the foro. What is the secret? Please! Please! (What is the frequency Kenneth?) CIA ____! Only WMA and PDF---what gives?
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Jan. 7 2008 14:35:04
 
HemeolaMan

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RE: Alegrias in E realbook (in reply to johnguitars

i posted it on another thread in the tabs section

read this here thread

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Jan. 7 2008 14:57:00
 
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RE: Alegrias in E realbook (in reply to HemeolaMan

Even with the clear illustrated instructions, I am unable to open the GP files.
Why not just post a PDF version?
There is no problem with download and open PDF file.
It saves everyone a lot of frustration and time on so many file formats.
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HemeolaMan

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RE: Alegrias in E realbook (in reply to larrygraham

pardon me while i vent my frustration here.

i realize you probably just joined this conversation and it looks like it is your first post. doubtless this is hardly the way to welcome you, but i think your question merits a little consideration....which i have already posted about.

okay, read man. that scroll bar? use it, scroll up

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RE: Alegrias in E realbook (in reply to HemeolaMan)


There are reasons I chose to do this in Gp5

firstly, It's universal. If you don't have gp4 or 5, its easily attainable... in a less than legal way, but simple nontheless.

gp5 exports pdf's and gp4's making it more versatile than any of the other software.

it takes less time entering tab than sibelius or finale

not everyone has sibelius or finale

and most importantly, If i post a section or a piece, and it is incorrect, people can easily make changes and submit it!!!



lets look at that again:

I am uploading gp5's and 4's because it is a program that is not only widely available and used by almost everyone IT IS ALSO EDITABLE

why is that important: my credentials are lacking. I am a flamenco acolyte. it is easier for someone to contribute something and they are more willing if all they have to do is edit a few bars and click upload. it is a familiar program to almost everyone and most people are comfortable using it

sibelius and finale dont read gp5 and only are available to very few. ptab doesnt read gp but gp reads ptabs.

gp5 talks well with sibelius, it exports actually usable musicxml files which i can pop into sibelius 4 with minimal editing and make a finished published copy worthy of an engravers approval.

the problem with pdfs....... sometimes they too damn big.

some people have 56k, pdfs take a while on a slomodem. gps take like 2 seconds

plus, then i'd have to make sure everyone's acrobat can read my file by EMBEDDING ALL THE FONTS IN POST SCRIPTS so someyoungguy from thailand can read it with his version of reader which doesn't have true type fonts

gp5 is pretty much not region specific in its distribution, it just comes with different languages already available. = no need to embed

plus if i upload a pdf, i have to go back in and re edit any changes someone submits in gp from what will probably be a text description


IN CONCLUSION:

I chose gp because its faster, easier, more universal, and plays back sound so you don't need a guitar to see if the score is correct.


sorry if that seemed harsh. it was. on a brighter note, welcome to the foro!!! if you'd like to contribute something, or perhaps discuss this more thoroughly on a person to person basis, please pm me or email me and i'd be happy to talk =)

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Jan. 7 2008 16:01:14
 
Ricardo

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RE: Alegrias in E realbook (in reply to HemeolaMan

quote:

pardon me while i vent my frustration here.


Ok, I have to buy this:
http://www.guitar-pro.com/en/index.php?pg=mac-version

or wait for some one to load a pdf?
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HemeolaMan

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RE: Alegrias in E realbook (in reply to HemeolaMan

ricardo, i´ve got you covered.

we will find a way

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HemeolaMan

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RE: Alegrias in E realbook (in reply to Ricardo

a pdf

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