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Ricardo
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 RE: A Chords PDF (in reply to mrMagenta)
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I'm happy for any opinions, suggestions on formatting, chord naming conventions or if you spot any errors.
I wish you numbered them or something so I could help pinpoint corrections.
First line, 2.A(no 5th). 5. Just "A", the lowest bass note is open, not A/C#. 6.A7/G the fingering should be 201110. 7.A7/G 231110. 8. A/Bb. 10.Am(b9) 11. Em7b5/A.
Second line: 1. A7b9, 2.A(b9)/G (Sometimes I finger 201310), 3.A(b9), 4. A(b9), 5.A(b9 no 3rd), 6.A(b9 no 3rd) 7. A(b9). Instead of "add 9-" it is easier (b9) IMO.
Third line: 4. Am(b9)/E.
Seems there are some flamenco A chords missing. Am(9)? Not sure off hand, I dont' have time to check. Rather than re formatting, I was always hoping folks would simply add their own chords to the original thread...not any old chord, but "special" ones that come from flamenco guitar specifically.
Oh yeah, 4th line, "A#" chords:1. Not a classical "chord". A chord must have 3 or more different notes. This is just an interval, minor second plus octave. I think of it as "A(b9) no 3rd or 5th". So pretty silly to name it even. 2. A(b9)sus4 or Asus4(b9), which ever you like better, 3. YIKES! Sure you want that E bass note? There are many ways to name this, but all proper names would be pointless. Basically the harmony is Bb, and the bass line is moving either from D up to this E on the D string, or F down to E. Either way I would just describe as "Bb(#11)/E" in context, 4. Sure you DON'T want the top E string to ring? If it is ok, then C9 (no 5th). 5. hmm, very "modal" sounding phrygian chord. Bb(#11)/A is best IMO.
The proper naming of these things will get more complex than the litteral function is meant to sound. In most cases you can just refer to "por medio" or "flamenco A chord" or "Flamenco Bb" or "si bemol" etc...
Ricardo
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Date Jan. 4 2008 7:14:18
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Ricardo
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RE: All Chords PDF (in reply to mrMagenta)
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Ricardo,
just curious, how come we don't call the C#s Dbs in this case? C# has 7 sharps while Db has 5 flats.
You have to think MODAL. C# PHRYGIAN has 3 sharps, related to F# minor, the third is raised sometimes (E becomes E# or both notes used) and written as an accidental. (C#DEE#F#G#AB)
Music writing software tends to be ignorant in terms of music theory. You can let it read as "F", but understand it is supposed to be a raised 3rd not a lowered 4th. Hopefully using the correct key sig will let you do it?
This Vicente chord is tricky:
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What you have is both thirds in the chord, major and minor. The piece it comes from "Mandaito" makes a lot of use of the natural phrygian sound (E natural). "10" is not an extension so you can't say "#10" or something. In jazz/pop etc they use "#9", but you have a broken rule there if you use #9 AND b9 in the same chord. But you can I guess.
Honestly in that case, for staff reading purpose, it would look nice if the chord spelled C#G#DEF, and that is how you spelled it (b11). But that is not really correct. Here you have the problem where flamenco is eastern and you are doing the western system to define it. THe scale (I wrote above) really has 8 notes, not 7, and one should be allowed to used all 8 notes. The intervals in the chord are re numbered for the sake of that extra note, and of course a new letter or symbol could be used to describe the extra note. But that is getting really pointless and crazy.
I would just call it C#(b9)add#9, recognizing the only reason that extra note is added is because of the open string. But what you have is fine too (b9,b11). Later on you will find an even harder to name chord used in modern flamenco:
343533. In the key of A phyrgian, again you have no "out of the scale" notes. GC#FCDG is the chord. A "tone cluster" using notes from the mode. The actual function of that in flamenco music is usually a brief "minor third" modulation sound (Cphrygian, using the above chord as Dbmaj7#11 sound) without actually leaving the orginal scale.
I guess if I HAD to name it, I would call it Dbmaj7(b9,#11)/G. So go ahead and include that with the other C# chords! 
Ricardo
OH, under C# chords, number 4 should be C#7(b9), that is the only correction I have for you.
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what a great piece of jargon! I'm going to use that wherever possible and blind people with techy-talk!! 
). any special logic to the square, besides aesthetical? i think there will be some deal of moving around, addittions and stuff before all the chords are in place though.
