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1972 Sobrinos de Domingo Esteso for sale @ Ebay
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hhmusic
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 RE: 1972 Sobrinos de Domingo Esteso ... (in reply to elkabong!)
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hi rudy, i think there are two white elephants in the room regarding this guitar, so we might as well get them out in the open.
the first is the scale length - 670 is scaring people away. in the guitar's defense, this forum has discussed the sonic merits of long scale guitars before, and for flamenco, when 90% of the time we play with a cejillla, i think it's a non-issue. even on a guitar as long as 670, when the cejilla is on just the 1st fret, the capo'd scale length is less than 650. in fact, long scale guitars can give a welcome bit of room when the cejilla is higher up the neck. personally, i don't like 650s anymore.
but, in the buyer's defense, guitars longer than 660 have a lower resale value and take longer to sell, as is happening here - because of the PERCEPTION that they will be difficult to play. (again, with the cejilla, i think it's a non-issue). nonetheless, making a considerable investment in an unusually long scale guitar like this could be risky.
the other elephant is the price. $11,000 USD is an awful lot of money for a maker whose guitars are regularly available for much less. the going player-to-player price for a good newer era conde from the felipe V shop is between $4000 and $5500, depending on wood, finish, scale and condition. i know you've owned many guitars over the last decade, and if you prefer this one to all of them, i think we can be sure it is BETTER than your typical conde. so, if you priced it at the top end of that range or perhaps a tiny bit higher, i think you'd find a sale.
like you, the new owner would probably feel they got a great sounding guitar for the price they paid.... then would have difficulty reselling when and if they decided to.
good luck with it--
hh
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Date Jun. 22 2007 0:54:39
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Ricardo
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Joined: Dec. 14 2004
From: Washington DC
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RE: 1972 Sobrinos de Domingo Esteso ... (in reply to TANúñez)
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I can see paying $14,000 for an original Esteso, but, paying $14,000 for a "ReEdition" made by someone else? I'm not paying $14,000 for a copy. It's just marketing my friend.
For the record, I had in my hands an original '53, same rosette but different head stock. The guitar was "restored" so I am not sure how that affects the sound, but it did not beat my conde's from Felipe V in terms of sound, and I was ready to trade or sell before trying it. I saw the SAME guitar make and model going for 5K in orginal condition.
http://www.gruhn.com/catalog/ac.htm
I was surprised so I inquired about the re issue at GSI. It is ALL ABOUT the stupid media luna head design. That is it. The ORIGINAL they copied it from is a collectors Item because of the head, the first of it's kind. The copy is a way to revive the "collectors item" that has already been..."collected".  The original guitars from this period are in the category like Ramirez III, they are not so "collectable" or rather, they go for 5-7K. Not over 10, even in orginal condition. I was surprised to learn this, but that is just the way it is. A new Conde guitar in mint condition, even from whatever shop, is worth more, and probably will never be worth more than paid for, in the future. Why? Cause there are so many of them I guess, compared to Reyes or Arcangel etc etc. Does not even matter how great they sound in comparison.
Not saying anything about Rudy's guitar. Any guitar is worth whatever someone will pay for it. The guy's at GSI seem comfident that if you want a Conde from whatever period, one will come along eventually and they will sell it to you if you want for around 5K. Some one there admitted to me if one fell in their lap, they would try to get 6K or more if it is good, but have let Conde's go in the past (from 70's) that were not selling for a long time, for as low as 4K.
Ricardo
PS, I offered Rudy 8K when it first came up, but the truth is I would need to try it out first. If I lived close enough, I would consider trading with my best conde (not for sale) as collateral just to try it out first. Perhaps it would be worth 10K to me if it was in my hands?  I personally think this guitar Rudy is Selling looks great, and if he says it sounds good I believe him, but these things can be taste issues. My student has one from 1971 that sounds good, but I would not trade him for any of mine I have now.
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Date Jun. 26 2007 17:55:39
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