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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Jun. 8 2007 8:39:38

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I'm very interested in that sort of thing.
On harmony I just read lolo fernandez her work wich also contains rythm,... very specific to flamenco ofcourse

But also many books on jazz harmony, makes it very intersting, I also have a few things on my computer I think about scales and chord formation, very interesting, just give a yell if you are in need of other stuff or another view. i have experienced that whoever explains you that sort of theory it always seems different, or is that just me??.....

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I'd buy it right away, man! Though I wouldn't so no to a free copy, of course....

haha kidding. I'm very interested to know a bit more about the theory, I've been working on it a bit myself. This semester I'm starting the music theory sequence, my main goal is to see how that helps me understand the flamenco.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Jun. 8 2007 16:30:42

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RE: Flamenco Theory Text (in reply to Guest)

Hey Romerito,

I am definitely interested.

A) I would be interested to use it for teaching.

B) I would be happy to help in any way I can.

I will watch for more.

-Anthony

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Jun. 8 2007 16:46:32

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This should be helpful:

http://users.aol.com/BuleriaChk/private/flamenco.html

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Jun. 8 2007 17:47:08

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I've just had a potential job offer for translating a book from Spanish to English on flamenco music theory and history. If it's any good I'll let you know and aside from that if I get the job may well bombard you all with music theory questions

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Jun. 8 2007 20:11:58

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RE: Flamenco Theory Text (in reply to Guest)

Hello,

I am also interested .
Thank you

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Jun. 8 2007 20:20:02

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I am interested of course.

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Jun. 9 2007 0:04:59

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quote:

ORIGINAL: romerito

Nice to hear from you Kate.
That is great.
May I ask which Text?

Hola Romerito, I don't know yet, when and if I get the job I'll find out more.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Jun. 9 2007 12:28:38

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RE: Flamenco Theory Text (in reply to Guest)

Hi all,

Both the Compas Analysis and the Music Theory for Flamenco are in .pdf form.
Both are downloadable, but not printable (they are from my course CD's, which also has a number of falsetas (what I was able to do before the roof fell in.....) Also there is some stuff in the Tapas section on my website.

The Music Theory on my site covers Flamenco in terms of Harmonic Minor, Major, and Phrygian Mode via the Circle of Fifths, showing the classical isomorphism between Major and Minor, and relating that to the Phrygian Mode via the concept of "Question/Answer" harmonic phrasing.

The Compas Analysis does the same thing for Flamenco compas (well, I try, anyway) That's as organized as I can do for now - someday I too will get a corporate sponsorship .. right...:-)

The Addendum was culled from a lot of theory posts to the old Flamenco list years ago....

Here are the links to the documents:

Music Theory:
http://members.aol.com/BuleriaChk/private/compas/theory/Theory.pdf

Compas Analysis (these may be redundant, but at least one includes the Addendum)
http://users.aol.com/CHKeyser/private/compas/Analysis.pdf
http://members.aol.com/CHKeyser/private/compas/Analysis.pdf

Best Regards,

Chuck

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Someday, I'll go back and do it again, with dancing puppets, etc....:-)

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Jun. 10 2007 23:45:41

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Hi chuck you'r a really gracious guy.

Romerito, good luck with your project it sounds like a real challenge.

Maybe a good place to start would be looking at the harmonic structure of some cante in different forms. The more I think about harmony the more I think that three and four chord tricks(andalucian cadence) are where it is at and all the rest is just bells and whistles.

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PS maybe you would enjoy Conrad Corks Harmony With Lego Bricks, he has a real nice way of explaining jazz harmony that I found very illumintating and maybe you could get some ideas for analysing flamenco.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Jun. 11 2007 1:53:04

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Sounds great Romerito, keep us updated.

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Jun. 11 2007 13:17:12

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Great Idea, let me know when it comes together.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Jun. 11 2007 17:05:55

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My girlfriend does editorial design in Adobe InDesign on the Mac. She is freelance, fluent in Spanish and English and being based in Mexico, her costs are lower compared to the US or Europe.

PM me if you are interested in talking further.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Jun. 11 2007 20:43:28

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Here is some stuff that might help you or not, I prefer Satriani style modes myself because once you learn them it is easy to create diatonic scales.

One way is to say that a mode is a scale off of a root scale, simply put, a G major scale has 6 other scales starting at different notes, So with that said, G major starts at G and ends on G but A Dorian starts on A and Ends on A, ect:

Scale Imagery works great for teaching, teach them to see the scale as a whole instead of string by string. For example:
G majors pattern is, left hand 124 one of course being Locrian F# second fret or Second finger 3rd fret Root note G. E string 124. A string 124,.D string 134.G 134. B 24 and high E 124. Similar to the grimoure it shows more notes than in the actual scale.

Which looks like this
1 2 3 4 5 frets

-----|--1--|---2--|-----|---4------------------------------------
-----|------|---2--|-----|---4-----------------------------------------
-----|---1--|------|--3-|---4------------------------------------------
-----|---1 |------|---3-|--4---------------------------------------------------
-----|----1-|--2--|-----|--4----------------------------------------------
-----|---1- |--2--|-----|---4----------------------------------------------

Here are some of my favorite teaching tools.

http://www.gabrieledgar.com/notation/buleriaschordsandscales.ptb

http://www.gabrieledgar.com/notation/Ephrygian_chords.ptb

http://www.gabrieledgar.com/notation/Cmajormodes.ptb

http://www.gabrieledgar.com/notation/buleriaschordsandscales.ptb

http://www.gabrieledgar.com/notation/ephrygian.ptb

http://www.gabrieledgar.com/notation/gypsyscales2.ptb

And there is more but these may or may not help you with some Ideas for your book my friend.
A great way to memorize these is to see them as a whole allaaa fret board diagrams and tab or music notaion.

Ehh sorry bud just try to help but this theory talk can get heavy,,,,,,,,, I'm gonna quit now while I am buzzzzed.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Jun. 12 2007 2:24:07

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Is this really a theory which tells us something breaking new and makes us understanding flamenco better in the end,,..? Or is it just philosophy to kill some time? Im very interested in completed texs which are finished. So if somebody could uload some final acomplished works I would be very interested.
I would be serious thinking about good works. I read a methematical one in past and a friend of mine wrote a comparison of classic and flamenco and it was really interesting.
So Im very happyly waiting for you work romerio! (^_-)v

Some files?

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Jun. 12 2007 20:45:15

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RE: Flamenco Theory Text (in reply to edgar884)

edgar, another great way to write scales and modes, is to write out a CM scale on stave, then, superimpose chords in 'C' like, C minor, C aug, etc. on to the scale after writing out the chord on stave. What you get is an altered scale, from the Cmajor scale, then transpose in to whatever key.

I have found this a great way to make great scales, and modes, that actually fit the chord perfectly from scratch.....I use it now and then to practice on the guitar. I'm pretty fond of the idea.....it's a great tool and it works if you work with it. It's fairly easy and it takes the guess work out of matching the proper scale, or mode, to the chord when composing patterns or melodic/harmonic passages.

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