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JBASHORUN
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 RE: Yet ANOTHER high-school massacre? (in reply to Francisco)
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After my original post, I was reminded of a signature I read at another forum.
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The difference between smart and wise is a smart man knows what to say, a wise man knows when to say it.
OK, So it was a bad time to point out that America has its faults when many families are still mourning their loved ones. But IMO its best to deal with these issues when they are fresh, rather than leave them to be forgotten and brushed under the carpet. After all, in a few months time, most people will have completely forgotten about the incident, and it won't be until "the next one" that the issues involved are dealt with again. And its in EVERYONE's best interests that these issues are dealt with.
As for ignorance Samwise, if you think legalising guns makes you an "enlightened nation" you are very much mistaken, and I would argue that guns do far more harm than good. There are very few ways to kill so many people at once, and a gun is, inevitably, the weapon of choice. Lets not forget that guns are primarily designed for KILLING!
Ron has the stronger point that the media influences our/my sentiment. Its been covered pretty heavily on the television today, and that might have had something to do with it. You're wrong if you think I don't sympathize with any innocent people killed in Iraq (or any other war). Maybe slightly less so for soldiers because it is their CHOICE to risk their lives for money. But anyone else who is an innocent civilian, then that is just as tragic.
Besides... I never claimed to be wise OR smart.
Jb
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Date Apr. 17 2007 22:56:13
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hassurbanipal
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RE: Yet ANOTHER high-school massacre? (in reply to JBASHORUN)
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hey jbashorun,
I can't really remeber where I got that quote from, it's still something I remember when I studied Plato that he said.
There is also another one I remember and wich is very true:
'good people don't need laws because they take their responsability, bad people always find a backdoor.'
And children didn't kill so much in the old days? That's a little bit strange because 2000 years ago you where almost a grown up when you where 12 and i can garantee you that when you where 15 you would kill for money in the army.
ofcourse we have to see all in context, it was a differnet time, another culture, another social context but it's the essence that killing in all sort of ways are of all time. I mean that people are saying, what a time we live in, this has never happend before. sure it did. I do not doubt that, every generation thinks that it was better then of it is different now, but killing is of all ages in all times in all the different ways, it's human, all though I regret this I do not know the solution.
Can you get my drift?
sorry, it's turning into a philosofic topic.....:)) but it's off-topic so I'm allowed, no?
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Date Apr. 18 2007 12:24:49
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Florian
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RE: Yet ANOTHER high-school massacre? (in reply to JBASHORUN)
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But the guy who did the massacre had TWO parents, so we can't blame everything on single parent households
acctualy u cant blame anything on the single parent
i was raised by a single parent, wasent a choice it was the way it worked out, i didnt miss out on anything , and the things i did miss out on must not have been that important because i havent shot anyone.
Yes back in the day people stay togheder longher, but they were unhappy, and there was alot more violence at home, nobody chosses to be a single parent, nobody wants to do the job by themselfs, if they are single parents perhaps there is a good reason , wouldnt you think ?
I cant think of anyone that wakes up in the morning and says to themselfs, I dont want to be loved, or get affection, or have someone to relie on.
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Date Apr. 18 2007 12:55:01
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Francisco
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RE: Yet ANOTHER high-school massacre? (in reply to JBASHORUN)
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Oh boy, I tried to refrain, but alas....
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But IMO its best to deal with these issues when they are fresh, rather than leave them to be forgotten and brushed under the carpet.
Agreed, but initially your opinion didn't come across as 'dealing with these issues', but rather bashing an entire nation of people for one single senseless act. If, in the future, you decide to deal with issues, a more appropriate format would be to present the problem as you see it, then list a few solutions.
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As for ignorance Samwise, if you think legalising guns makes you an "enlightened nation" you are very much mistaken, and I would argue that guns do far more harm than good.
The ignorance I was eluding to, Sunshine, was your use of such a broad brush to paint an entire nation as socially deprived because one moron decides to act on impulse. I totally agree with the idea that guns do more harm than good. You seem to think that just because I'm American that I'm pro gun, another incorrect assumption on your part if that is the case. And just for the record, I was using the word ignorance as defined as a lack of awareness, NOT as a synonym for stupidity.
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Besides... I never claimed to be wise OR smart.
Nor have I, but be that as it may, wouldn't it be an honorable achievement?
On a final note...
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Cho Seung-Hui, who police say is responsible for most of Monday's shootings, was a resident alien from South Korea
Not trying to imply anything, just found it interesting in light of the initial anti-American sentiment of this thread.
Peace
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Date Apr. 18 2007 12:56:43
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John O.
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From: Seeheim-Jugenheim, Germany
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RE: Yet ANOTHER high-school massacre? (in reply to Florian)
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But the guy who did the massacre had TWO parents, so we can't blame everything on single parent households
acctualy u cant blame anything on the single parent
i was raised by a single parent, wasent a choice it was the way it worked out, i didnt miss out on anything , and the things i did miss out on must not have been that important because i havent shot anyone.
Yes back in the day people stay togheder longher, but they were unhappy, and there was alot more violence at home, nobody chosses to be a single parent, nobody wants to do the job by themselfs, if they are single parents perhaps there is a good reason , wouldnt you think ?
I cant think of anyone that wakes up in the morning and says to themselfs, I dont want to be loved, or get affection, or have someone to relie on.
Agreed. I was raised by a single parent too. Has nothing to do with that. None of the massacres I know of were done by children of broken homes, come to think of it.
I think I see a dead end up ahead, think I'm done with this topic - it was fun though 
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Date Apr. 18 2007 13:20:18
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JBASHORUN
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RE: Yet ANOTHER high-school massacre? (in reply to Francisco)
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Agreed, but initially your opinion didn't come across as 'dealing with these issues', but rather bashing an entire nation of people for one single senseless act. If, in the future, you decide to deal with issues, a more appropriate format would be to present the problem as you see it, then list a few solutions.
Yes, sorry about that Samwise... the initial post was not one of my better ones. I was just caught up in the drama of the moment, and didn't think it through. My intention was not to attack the American PEOPLE as such, but rather the LAWS that allow them to bare arms, and virtually ENCOURAGE such trouble. That said, I do think that EVERY society (AMERICA INCLUDED) has a responsibility to try and prevent these tragedies from happening.
As for the guy being a Korean immigrant- that has nothing to do with it. He came to america when he was EIGHT years old, and was at least 23 at the time of the massacre. As far as I am concerned, he WAS AMERICAN, and had been living in the US for the MAJORITY of his LIFE.
But you are right, ofcourse, its not fair to blame or single out America, when the problem affects the whole of the Western World (although America does lead the way). But I gather from your tone that you think these sort of events cannot be helped, and are just down to a few bad apples spoiling the bunch.
Still, who am I to say that your theory is wrong, I'm not a social scientist. But I do hope that lessons are being learned from these tragedies, and that steps are taken to prevent them happening again.
Jb
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Date Apr. 18 2007 13:42:56
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