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TANúñez

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Conde style guitar

I'm attempting to build a guitar with the modern style Conde bracing. I'm copying a 2005 Felipe Conde which I thought was a fantastic guitar. One of the best if not the best Conde I've seen. Here's a pic of the top. Don't know how close I can get to it. Wish me luck.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Mar. 27 2007 13:26:15

JBASHORUN

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RE: Conde style guitar (in reply to TANúñez)

Tom, please keep us informed about how the guitar eventually turns out. I would also be interested in getting a copy of the plans/drawings you are working from, if you have made any...

Jb

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Mar. 27 2007 13:57:51

TANúñez

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RE: Conde style guitar (in reply to JBASHORUN)

Sure will Jb

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Mar. 27 2007 15:32:09

Anders Eliasson

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RE: Conde style guitar (in reply to TANúñez)

Hi Tom.

Nice clean work

You are using spruce for the 2 long struts? I thought they were originally some kind of hardwood.

Also, are you sure the braces and the closing struts have this size. They look thick to me.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Mar. 27 2007 16:31:01

TANúñez

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RE: Conde style guitar (in reply to Anders Eliasson)

Hi Anders.

I do as best as I can to do a clean job on the inside. I hate glue squeeze out!

I don't have expensive and fancy calipers so my methods for trying to measure the inside are very primative. The braces look thicker on this photo than they really are.

The 2 long struts from the Conde I have here "appear" to be spruce. They very well may be some type of hardwood as you say but from what I can tell, they look like spruce. I'm sure if I wrote the Conde bros. they wouldn't reply with an answer

I have a friend who has a 03' Conde negra. I asked him to peek inside his soundhole so he could see the side of these two long struts. He's not a luthier so all he could tell me is that his looked brown. Much like the back braces. Could they also be using cedar for these?

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Mar. 27 2007 16:45:58

Doitsujin

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RE: Conde style guitar (in reply to TANúñez)

Sorry, I have a question. Are there any guitar building kits which include all parts you need for a flamenco-guitar? Some people from the forum builded on no? did they use the kit?

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Mar. 27 2007 18:32:30

JBASHORUN

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RE: Conde style guitar (in reply to Doitsujin)

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I have a question. Are there any guitar building kits which include all parts you need for a flamenco-guitar?

http://madinter.com/b2c/index.php?page=pp_productos.php&tipo=1&codf=94&md=1

Jb

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Mar. 27 2007 19:07:29

Ricardo

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RE: Conde style guitar (in reply to TANúñez)

Blanca or negra?

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Mar. 27 2007 19:14:31

TANúñez

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RE: Conde style guitar (in reply to Ricardo)

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Blanca or negra?

The one I'm building? blanca. I have a nice set of Pau Ferro I've been waiting to use. If this blanca turns out the way I'm hoping it will, maybe I'll build a negra next with this wood.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Mar. 27 2007 19:26:31

TANúñez

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RE: Conde style guitar (in reply to TANúñez)

Here's the back. It's hard to tell but next to the rosewood back strip are two small red and white strips.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Mar. 27 2007 19:36:44

TANúñez

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RE: Conde style guitar (in reply to TANúñez)

It hasn't been final sanded yet which will cleanup the strips a bit.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Mar. 27 2007 19:41:46

RobJe

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RE: Conde style guitar (in reply to TANúñez)

Just in case anyone is interested I had a look inisde my Conde A26. The two long struts are darker then the others - similar to the back braces.
Rob

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Mar. 27 2007 21:26:49

TANúñez

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RE: Conde style guitar (in reply to RobJe)

Interesting. Maybe cedar is used at times.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Mar. 27 2007 21:57:58

Francisco

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RE: Conde style guitar (in reply to TANúñez)

Looks fantastic, very clean and professional. Are you going to use your 'devil horned' design for the head?

- now THaT would be cool.

Did you leave the top 2 struts thick to make adjustments later (ala fine tuning)?

What color will the finish be?

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Mar. 27 2007 22:39:40

TANúñez

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RE: Conde style guitar (in reply to Francisco)

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Looks fantastic, very clean and professional. Are you going to use your 'devil horned' design for the head? - now THaT would be cool.

Did you leave the top 2 struts thick to make adjustments later (ala fine tuning)?

What color will the finish be?

Thanks Samwise. You remember the diablo head eh? No, this one will be my current design. I'll post a pic once it's finished. All the struts are pretty much at final thickness and height. I don't know a whole lot yet about "final tuning" and don't know for sure if I really believe in this. I'm no one to really comment about it as I know nothing about it.

Originally, I wanted to shoot it in yellow as I prefer yellow to orange. However, since the purfling is red, the yellow tint may turn the red to orange. I may leave it natural so the original color of the rosette and purfling show through.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Mar. 27 2007 23:51:02

nhills

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RE: Conde style guitar (in reply to TANúñez)

Very interesting Tom!

The dark struts could be: 1) Western red cedar, 2) Spanish cedar, or 3) mahogany. It would be worth knowing which it is, since these have very different characteristics. My guess would be red cedar, but I haven't had the opportunity to see one.

By the way... Where did you get the cypress for the back?

Cheers,
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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Mar. 28 2007 1:41:43

TANúñez

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RE: Conde style guitar (in reply to nhills)

Hi Norman,

I can't quite remember where I got the cypress as I have purchased several sets from various sources through the last few years. I think this particular set came from LMI.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Mar. 28 2007 5:02:53

Doitsujin

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RE: Conde style guitar (in reply to TANúñez)

quote:

quote:

I have a question. Are there any guitar building kits which include all parts you need for a flamenco-guitar?

http://madinter.com/b2c/index.php?page=pp_productos.php&tipo=1&codf=94&md=1

Jb

Thank you!

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Mar. 28 2007 15:07:45

Jim Opfer

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RE: Conde style guitar (in reply to TANúñez)

Looks good Tom, beautiful back grain and neat centre strip detail.
Looking forward to hearing a clip when she's finished.

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Mar. 28 2007 16:41:17

Ricardo

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RE: Conde style guitar (in reply to TANúñez)

forgot to add, can you make me one please? thanks.

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Mar. 28 2007 21:55:34

Arash

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RE: Conde style guitar (in reply to TANúñez)

me 2! i wanne blanca! put me on your waiting list

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Mar. 28 2007 22:02:12

TANúñez

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RE: Conde style guitar (in reply to Arash)

Cool. A 2 person waiting list! Another 68 orders and I'm right there with DeVoe

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Mar. 28 2007 23:12:30

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RE: Conde style guitar (in reply to TANúñez)

Nice work Tom. It appears as if you do very clean work. Please post pics of your progress. My favorite part of this forum is seeing others' work. Will you continue with the rosewood/red/white for the binding etc?

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Mar. 29 2007 0:01:08

TANúñez

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RE: Conde style guitar (in reply to ykabban)

Hi ykabban,

Thanks. Yes, I try to be as clean as possible. It really bugs me when I get a guitar and look inside and find a lot of sloppy work. Glue squeeze out and rough sanded braces, etc,etc. A clean box tells me that the maker takes pride in his work. However, handmade guitars are not perfect. Some of this type of stuff is to be expected. I just like to be as clean as possible.

The binding and purfling will also be rosewood,white and red.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Mar. 29 2007 0:50:34

Thomas Whiteley

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RE: Conde style guitar (in reply to Arash)

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A real friend daggers you head-on!

Now that could hurt!

What kind of friends do you have?

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Mar. 29 2007 0:56:27

TANúñez

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RE: Conde style guitar (in reply to TANúñez)

I just glued the sides and the linings. It's coming along nicely. Today I'll fit the back.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Mar. 30 2007 15:36:35

Ramón

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RE: Conde style guitar (in reply to TANúñez)

...beautiful.....

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Mar. 31 2007 0:39:09

Anders Eliasson

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RE: Conde style guitar (in reply to TANúñez)

Tom.

Did you (on the conde) meassure the size of the two outer braces (1 and 7) and the closing struts ? To me they look heavy and you start the cut of of brace 1 and 7 above the cut off of the 2nd and 6th brace. That I dont understand.
In my experience this (the size of the braces) normally means that the guitar will sound strong and bright, but it´ll have sustain and a pulsation that will not work to well close to the bridge.

Its all taste, I know, but thats what I think.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Mar. 31 2007 8:25:51

TANúñez

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RE: Conde style guitar (in reply to Anders Eliasson)

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Tom.

Did you (on the conde) meassure the size of the two outer braces (1 and 7) and the closing struts ? To me they look heavy and you start the cut of of brace 1 and 7 above the cut off of the 2nd and 6th brace. That I dont understand.
In my experience this (the size of the braces) normally means that the guitar will sound strong and bright, but it´ll have sustain and a pulsation that will not work to well close to the bridge.

Its all taste, I know, but thats what I think.

Hi Anders, braces 1,2,4,6 and 7 are the same size. I had to do all the measuring through the soundhole which was REALLY difficult to reach those outer braces, 1 and 7. From what I could tell, these two were cut smaller on the ends compared to the others. However, since these were difficult to measure, my measurements may be slightly off from the original.

I'll make all the cuts the same on the next one and see if I can tell what the differences are.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Apr. 1 2007 17:03:59