Cejilla or Capo

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Cejilla or Capo - Poll

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Cejilla or Capo - Poll

Traditional Cejilla

40% (16)

Newer Style Capo

60% (24)

Total Votes : 40

(last vote on : Oct. 13 2011 6:40:10)

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NeZ

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Cejilla or Capo - Poll

Just wondering how many people here use a more traditional style Cejilla and how many people use a newer style Capo like a Schubb or Kyser and why.

Are there any large advantages to one style over the other?

I've never owned a Cejilla but am thinking of buying one.

Any experience with the "21st Century Cejilla"?

http://www.stringsbymail.com/catalog/accessories/details/xxxCejilladetail.asp

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Ricardo

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RE: Cejilla or Capo - Poll (in reply to NeZ)

I use both. I like the look of the trad cejilla. It is like jewelry for the guitar. But I have snapped the string on stage before. I more often use good ol Dunlop to be safe. I don't like the look of the shub and other such modern designs.

Ricardo

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Feb. 22 2007 18:42:41

legrec

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RE: Cejilla or Capo - Poll (in reply to Ricardo)

what about this one ?

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duende

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RE: Cejilla or Capo - Poll (in reply to NeZ)

i never use a trad one simply cause i cant buy them in sweden, and i already have a good modern one. but i might order one some day,just for the look.

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Adam

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RE: Cejilla or Capo - Poll (in reply to NeZ)

I always assumed cejilla was simply the Spanish word for a capo--what's the difference?

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Anders Eliasson

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RE: Cejilla or Capo - Poll (in reply to NeZ)

Cejilla means capo, incl. Shubbs and Dunlops.

I use mostly trad. capo because they are light and beautifull. I have a shubb, but its to heavy and ugly.
Please dont use Dunlops on French Polished guitars.... They eat shellack and might even damage the neckwood. They are easy to use, but..........

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Feb. 26 2007 8:00:14

Adam

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RE: Cejilla or Capo - Poll (in reply to NeZ)

Thanks! Alright then, to elaborate :) What does a trad capo look like? Why is it so bad?

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Feb. 27 2007 6:06:54

NeZ

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RE: Cejilla or Capo - Poll (in reply to NeZ)

Ramparts,

Here's the distinction I was trying to make when I made the poll.

Here's an example of the traditional style capo....

http://www.stringsbymail.com/catalog/accessories/details/xxxCejilladetail.asp

Versus the newer style like this...

http://www.stringsbymail.com/catalog/accessories/details/kg6b.asp

or this....

http://www.stringsbymail.com/catalog/accessories/details/ShubbCapoDetail.asp

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Feb. 27 2007 16:21:08

musicmaker

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RE: Cejilla or Capo - Poll (in reply to NeZ)

I agree..the Kyser is too strong for the finish on flamenco guitars...the shubb is just right...its not that heavy and is easily adjustable...just make sure you get the one specifically for the classical-flamenco guitar as it is flat as opposed to the curved ones. As for the cejilla...its beautiful and lighter, but a pain in the a** to quick change in the event of a broken string.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Feb. 27 2007 17:16:11

Sébastian

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RE: Cejilla or Capo - Poll (in reply to NeZ)

This is the Capo I use. Would it be a modern version of a traditional capo?

By the way, hello! I'm new to the forum i guess i will make an introduction here

. My name is Sebastian, i've been playing guitar for 13 years. I've been a long time fan of flamenco since i was a child. So after years of playing different forms of music i have finally reached the point where i can no longer resist learning the style of music i adore.

Well, this looks like a good place to learn from experienced players and there is a great atmosphere on this forum. I look forward to contributing.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Feb. 27 2007 18:08:26

Sébastian

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RE: Cejilla or Capo - Poll (in reply to NeZ)

The finish on any guitar will wear on the neck from playing over the years and it isn't a bad thing. A nice worn in guitar feels better and has more character too it :)

romerito: did you mean explain how that capo works or why you have wear on the neck of the guitar?

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Feb. 27 2007 18:15:31

Thomas Whiteley

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RE: Cejilla or Capo - Poll (in reply to NeZ)

quote:

Just wondering how many people here use a more traditional style Cejilla and how many people use a newer style Capo like a Schubb or Kyser and why.

In Spanish you use the word Cejilla, and Italian Capo. As far as I know they mean the same thing. Who started this differentiation between the two words is a question. Capo’s have been around for as long as Cejilla’s.

The advantage of a Shubb is that it is easy, fast and accurate to use. My Ebony Capos look nice but can be a serious pain during an event.

So my vote is to not vote. I cannot see the difference.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Feb. 27 2007 23:55:11

ykabban

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RE: Cejilla or Capo - Poll (in reply to NeZ)

This is what I use

. The string I use on my cejillas will never break. But I probably use a Dunlop more than anything even thought they lack any artistic sensibility.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Feb. 28 2007 1:02:06

Anders Eliasson

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RE: Cejilla or Capo - Poll (in reply to Guest)

quote:

Can you explain?

Over the years I´ve seen quite a few guitars with marks from Dunlop style capos because the strap which is quite roughly wowen kind of "rasps" the neck finish when you tighten the capo.

The Dunlop has many advantages. Its cheap, its small and the lever doesn´t come in the way. Disadvantages. Makes holes in the pocket of your trousers

, looks ... ....well, and IMHO its the one giving most tuning problems, because the whole construction twists the strings when you lock it and also because it puts a lot of pression on the strings. Capos dont need to be locked with a lot of pressure in order to funcion.

shubbs:
pro: very sturdy. lasts forever. makes no damage on guitar and makes a very subttle pressure on the strings if adjusted well.
contras: big, heavy and needs adjustment when moved if your guitar neck does not have the same thickness all the way.

Trad. Capo:
Pro: light, beautifull (handmade) and adjusts the pressure very well. IMO, its the best for tuning because you can adjust the capo lightly, tune and then tighten it a bit more. This gives the strings the posibility to move underneath the capo while tuning.
Contras: The string might snap (only if you misuse it by tightening it to much!!!!!) The peg might be in its way on most designs (not ykabban´s) The peg/hole must be well fitted in order to work well.

these are just my thoughts....

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Feb. 28 2007 7:28:20

Georg

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RE: Cejilla or Capo - Poll (in reply to NeZ)

http://web.telia.com/~u86505074/capomuseum/Strap/Nonelastic/nonelast.htm

Look at this page, there are some really weird ones (look at the one called Elton) , but also nice ones.

The first capo I had was a König & Meyer (which can really destroy the neck of a guitar) now I have a Shubb. Now I'm looking for a trad. cejilla, where my initials are on.

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Feb. 28 2007 10:38:02

Guest

RE: Cejilla or Capo - Poll (in reply to Georg)

I don't know what to say, sure i use them but to me a capo isn't that special. If it breaks i replace it and thats about all the thought i give it

I mean, i wouldn't keep a photo of it in my wallet or anything. Im trying to think of something more interesting to add here.... ehhh, i got nothing.

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Feb. 28 2007 11:22:07

Doitsujin

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RE: Cejilla or Capo - Poll (in reply to NeZ)

A traditional capo looks fine but the handling isnt 100% perfect. The dunlop-capos are looking normal, dont restrict my movements and are easy and quick to use.
I wouldnt buy a guitar when it looks but is hard to play. The same with capos. I dont wanna mode with my guitar,.. just wanna play.

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Feb. 28 2007 16:07:23

Serafino

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RE: Cejilla or Capo - Poll (in reply to NeZ)

Has anybody had any experience with the Ned Steinberger designed capo for Planet Waves. Seems like a nice compromise. Maybe the effectiveness of a Shubb but much lighter.

NS Planet Waves

BTW, the ykabba cejillas look great. I think I'll order one along with the 21st Century Cejilla.

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Mar. 1 2007 1:53:24

el ted

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RE: Cejilla or Capo - Poll (in reply to NeZ)

Traditional cejillas are pretty, but I've not come across one yet that allows you to play in tune! The pressure they exert across the six strings never appears to be even. I use Shubb's because they are quick, accurate in tuning, and you can operate them with one hand.

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el ted

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RE: Cejilla or Capo - Poll (in reply to NeZ)

ps: the cord on traditional cejillas can also dig into the back of the guitar neck.

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Mar. 1 2007 7:24:16

buleria

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RE: Cejilla or Capo - Poll (in reply to NeZ)

This is such a wonderful 'anorak' thread - I love it! Guitarists' capacity to analyse the small details never ceases to amaze me. Maybe I should start (another!!!) thread on strings - would probably attract more hits than the news that Camaron has recorded a posthumous CD!! Karenanne

PS Please don't take offence - I have time on my hands and this is meant in a light hearted way!

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Mar. 1 2007 17:17:03

Anders Eliasson

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RE: Cejilla or Capo - Poll (in reply to NeZ)

Buuuuhhhhhh

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Mar. 1 2007 17:45:03

Jim Opfer

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RE: Cejilla or Capo - Poll (in reply to NeZ)

According to good ol' Juan Martin 'cejilla' means eyebrow ?
I love the look of trad cejillas but that chord, mm..! the Bb inversion with 4 notes held on the first fret is tricky clashing with the thumb turn on a trad. Dunlops are great and reliable and easy to fit, so long as the flap points up and not down the way. If it's put on with the flap pointing down (to the floor) it can accidentaly flick off when you form chords down there.

Jim

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Jim Opfer

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RE: Cejilla or Capo - Poll (in reply to legrec)

Hey! legrec, I like it, great idea for a cross over capo.
I'm making one for myself.

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Mar. 1 2007 18:13:05

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RE: Cejilla or Capo - Poll (in reply to buleria)

quote:

This is such a wonderful 'anorak' thread - I love it! Guitarists' capacity to analyse the small details never ceases to amaze me. Maybe I should start (another!!!) thread on strings - would probably attract more hits

Why dont u right a tread on how many taks u have in your dance shoes, and wot brand taks they are?

No seriously, its a pity there arent more dancers here because for the most part it must be boring for u reading thru all the guitarist talk. Im not sure there is a forum quite like this one where the focus is on dance rather than guitar, or is there? Well this one is ment to be for dancers too but they dont seem to jump in that much, maybe u should rope a few more dancers in to join the foro.

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Mar. 1 2007 22:01:26

Ricardo

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RE: Cejilla or Capo - Poll (in reply to Jim Opfer)

quote:

the Bb inversion with 4 notes held on the first fret is tricky clashing with the thumb turn on a trad.

You mean:

E-0-----0--
B-3-----1--
G-3-----1--
D-2-----0--
A-3-----1--
E-3-----1--

That is C9 going to Bb9#11. So finger both chords sort of the same way, so the peg does not get in the way. Middle finger does a half bar on the 6th and 5th strings, index on 4th string or on the Bb it gets out of the way. Ring and pinky handle the other notes. The peg does not get in my way usually.

Ricardo

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ykabban

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RE: Cejilla or Capo - Poll (in reply to Ricardo)

quote:

Middle finger does a half bar on the 6th and 5th strings

Many players cannot collapse that distal joint. Hey, yet another reason to go out and buy a baker's dozen of ykabban cejillas

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Mar. 2 2007 3:22:45

Anders Eliasson

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RE: Cejilla or Capo - Poll (in reply to NeZ)

quote:

The peg does not get in my way usually.

I havent got problems with this one either.

To Karenanne (bulerias)

Remember that a capo is a very important thing in a guitarists life. I would quote it the fourth most important. First two, guitar and strings (you cannot play without) next, facial expression (this is about respect, you have to look flamenco)
Now comes capo. essential for playing with cante.
Next comes important things like having half long hair in the neck, sitting position, a tiny bit of belly etc....... (all important)

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Mar. 2 2007 7:49:27

Guest

RE: Cejilla or Capo - Poll (in reply to Anders Eliasson)

no no, anders u have it all wrong it goes, 1-chicks 2-guitar 3-strings 4-iced coffee and or beer. Capos doesnt even make it to the top 4

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Mar. 2 2007 8:00:44