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RE: NEW POLL-When can someone truley say thay are a flamenco guitarist
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NEW POLL-When can someone truley say thay are a flamenco guitarist
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after playing for baile 10 years and cante ten years |
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Once they have mastered compas |
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once they have mastered all flamenco techniques and compas |
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once they play 'la cucaracha' and yell ole at the end |
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when they play with true aire |
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when they can play 'la feria' just like juan martin |
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once theyve ripped off a car with some gypsies |
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once they wear the frilly shirts and sing 'po dom pom pom' |
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once they become a 'guiri in denial' |
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after completing a 16 hour shift in the captain beefcakes factory |
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(last vote on : Dec. 23 2015 16:38:33)
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sonikete
Posts: 735
Joined: Jan. 9 2004
From: Sweden
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RE: NEW POLL-When can someone truley... (in reply to Doitsujin)
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a BAD singer, is more "flamenco" just because he sings, than a descent flamenco guitar soloist or dancer? That depends what you mean by "bad", if he sings badly then no, but if he sings very well but has a limited repertoir, then yes. But i dont really see how anyone could become a good dancer without knowing any cante, its impossible. And Grisha is an example of a guitarist who has everything down as a soloist, and he does that extremely, extremely well, but it terms of soloists who doesnt know any singing or dancing he is an exception that confirms the rule. And there are a lot of people in spain who refuse to call him flamenco before he does start accompanying song. And im quite sure he would be able to without any problem, and that would shut a lot of people up about that.
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Date Dec. 19 2006 19:34:40
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Ricardo
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From: Washington DC
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RE: NEW POLL-When can someone truley... (in reply to Guest)
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who only want one reahearsal and don't want to set the dance...that is another thing. It is the reason why there are many great guitarists(flamenco) but only a fraction are considered good for baile. Dancers like that are easy, even for guitarists who only accomp. cante. The reason not many for dance is because it is a headache. The guitarist must memorize, not just play how he feels. Cante is easier to accompany by itself, in terms of brain work, although, a student can learn through the "squarness" of baile the structure of some cante. There are very few solistas that are pro. Of course in foreign countries, where there is less cante and baile, it is different. And about the lables that a culture will put on another, it is not fair to "speak for" a culture you are not part of. I showed a video of Todd playing with a pick to two gypsy friends, Pedro Cortes and Jesus Montoya. They thought his playing was very flamenco. Pedro was especially impressed, but then again he is a modern style guitarist. Jesus is a singer, but he would not say the guy was NOT playing flamenco. But sure, you will find people who might say that. Hell they say it about Paco de Lucia. So it is not about "let me say what I want about it despite the collective culture's view", it is really about the aficionado within, and where personal tastes and lines are drawn. quote:
"What would Paco or Tomatito or Carmen Amaya(if alive) or Yerbabuena or Agujetas call you?" Depending, they each have their own view and make their own lines. Agujetas thinks of HIMSELF as the only thing truely "flamenco" left alive. Tomatito surely sees things differently. Ricardo
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Date Dec. 19 2006 20:44:14
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