RE: Sabicas " Guitarists have to play their own music.."

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Rain

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XXX

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RE: Sabicas " Guitarists have t... (in reply to sonikete)

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ORIGINAL: sonikete

Well i play because i have to, not to critics or to the audience.

??

You said you were accompayning. That means, there are some sort of listeners? Or do you only do rehersals and never gigs

. Just kidding

(i have to add that these days...)

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Dec. 17 2006 16:27:27

sonikete

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RE: Sabicas " Guitarists have t... (in reply to Rain)

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You said you were accompayning. That means, there are some sort of listeners? Or do you only do rehersals and never gigs . Just kidding (i have to add that these days...)

I played a gig this friday, but i actually prefer playing with friends just because its fun rather than doing gigs. And i dont really regard myself as a solo guitarist, i enjoy playing with singers and dancers and most of my friends are that.

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Florian

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RE: Sabicas " Guitarists have t... (in reply to sonikete)

u realize sonikete theres only one way to shut us all up now

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Dec. 17 2006 16:33:02

sonikete

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RE: Sabicas " Guitarists have t... (in reply to Rain)

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u realize sonikete theres only one way to shut us all up now

Yeah sure, but with all this expectation building up ill be pretty anal about it so it might take a while..

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Dec. 17 2006 16:37:20

sonikete

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RE: Sabicas " Guitarists have t... (in reply to Rain)

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Except me. I'll take your words at face value.

Thanx Romerito

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Dec. 17 2006 16:39:20

Florian

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RE: Sabicas " Guitarists have t... (in reply to sonikete)

lol i hear u

tonight u would have to be paco de lucia

but serious, i have always priden myself into giving credit where credit is due, even if i dont necesarely like the person (and i am not saying that is the case),

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XXX

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RE: Sabicas " Guitarists have t... (in reply to Rain)

In respond to:
"I played a gig this friday, but i actually prefer playing with friends just because its fun rather than doing gigs."

Yeah, both can be fun. But i dont know anyone, who studies flamenco, makes excersizes hours a day, learns pieces, learns choreographies, does rehearsals, etc. and all that effort, just to play in his living room? Thats a little bit crazy isnt it?
Obviously most people, if not all, do music coz they wanna SHARE their feelings and expressions with other pple. This goes for a 16 year old teeny, who buys an electric just to express himself to others as "cool", as well as for a 38 year old, who studied flamenco more then 20 years! I dont know as what you want to be regarded (i guess not as "cool"), but certainly, there is something, that you also want to share in or better: with flamenco.

Or in other words (maybe this is kind of what you mean): the SOCIAL aspect of music, lies IN the music.

(I didnt intend to label you as cool or uncool, or as a 16-year old! I have to add that these days)

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Dec. 17 2006 16:40:21

sonikete

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RE: Sabicas " Guitarists have t... (in reply to Rain)

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but serious, i have always priden myself into giving credit where credit is due, even if i dont necesarely like the person (and i am not saying that is the case)

You dont have to like me.

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But i dont know anyone, who studies flamenco, makes excersizes hours a day, learns pieces, learns choreographies, does rehearsals, etc. and all that effort, just to play in his living room?

Ill quote myself then if you didnt read it:

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I played a gig this friday, but i actually prefer playing with friends just because its fun rather than doing gigs. And i dont really regard myself as a solo guitarist, i enjoy playing with singers and dancers and most of my friends are that.

I dont really understand what you are saying but i dont play flamenco to be regarded as anything, i play because i love it and i get depressed when i dont.

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Dec. 17 2006 16:40:56

Florian

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RE: Sabicas " Guitarists have t... (in reply to sonikete)

lol sonikete

papy

buddy

hehe do you think u matter that much to me to have a feeling that strong about your persona ?

i am just killing time here, drinking my coffe and chatting, i dont dislike you thats for sure, and i like u as much as i like anyone

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Dec. 17 2006 16:43:56

sonikete

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RE: Sabicas " Guitarists have t... (in reply to Rain)

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i am just killing time , drinking my coffe and chatting, i dont dislike you thats for sure, and i like u as much as i like anyone

Yes sure, same here

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Dec. 17 2006 16:52:28

XXX

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RE: Sabicas " Guitarists have t... (in reply to Rain)

Sonikete, when playing gigs, the listeners are your audience. When playing with friends, your friends are the audience.
I dont know why you added that you LIKE playing with friends more. Some people might like gigs more, some with friends. Not really interesting.

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i dont play flamenco to be regarded as anything, i play because i love it and i get depressed when i dont.

Sorry man, it wasnt an attack on you

. I just wanted to say that if someone plays in front of people he wants to share*. If you play ONLY for yourself, well you play for yourself and the only person to share with is you. But thats obviously not what i was talking about (see 2 lines above).

*) whatever he wants to share with his music.

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sonikete

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RE: Sabicas " Guitarists have t... (in reply to Rain)

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When playing with friends, your friends are the audience.

But its not a passive audience, its socializing with music, so its pretty damn interesting to me.

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Dec. 17 2006 16:54:54

Florian

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RE: Sabicas " Guitarists have t... (in reply to XXX)

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Yes sure, same here

I hope u dont mean that sarcasticly cause mine wasent, tomarow on another tread i might agree 100 % with you and be your best friend

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Dec. 17 2006 16:55:11

sonikete

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RE: Sabicas " Guitarists have t... (in reply to Rain)

No im not in the least sarcastic, i enjoy tough debates as i told you before, and i dont start hating people just because they might have another opinion than mine.

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Dec. 17 2006 16:58:22

sonikete

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RE: Sabicas " Guitarists have t... (in reply to Rain)

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Sorry man, it wasnt an attack on you . I just wanted to say that if someone plays in front of people he wants to share*. If you play ONLY for yourself, well you play for yourself and the only person to share with is you.

The problem with playing to audiences here in scandinavia is that they are usually not really capable of enjoying the more subtle things and would rather have you playing gipsy kings covers, and thats why id rather sit and jam with friends.

And to tell you the truth i actually get pretty bored listening to long meaningless guitarsolos, i want all parts to be involved or a very, very good soloist.

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Dec. 17 2006 17:04:42

Florian

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RE: Sabicas " Guitarists have t... (in reply to sonikete)

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No im not in the least sarcastic, i enjoy tough debates as i told you before, and i dont start hating people just because they might have another opinion than mine.

good

see we allready 100% in agreement

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Dec. 17 2006 17:09:04

Florian

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RE: Sabicas " Guitarists have t... (in reply to Rain)

Jesus crist sonikete !!! i just hitt , post since last visit

i think they gonna kick us both out and force us to open a chat room for just u and I.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Dec. 17 2006 17:13:13

sonikete

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RE: Sabicas " Guitarists have t... (in reply to Rain)

Yeah it ended quite well didnt it?

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i think they gonna kick us both out and force us to open a chat room for just u and I.

Just tell us if we take up too much space, i think i might be able to controll myself

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Arash

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RE: Sabicas " Guitarists have t... (in reply to sonikete)

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Flamenco = Cante

i dont agree sonikete.

Maybe 100 years ago yes. But i think it is time to give "Flamenco Guitar music" its own place and category, also with or without cante/baile.

In my opinion a new language is coined through the unbelievable development of Flamenco Guitar music itself in the past years in the way that you can not just see the guitar as a part of something and just accompaignment of singers/dancers.

There are so many new things, ideas, so much improvement etc. in it that you need to revise your traditional way of thinking. Nowadays you can play/sing/dance only with the guitar! if you know what i mean.

Abother point: i am seriously thinking about mixing flamenco guitar with persian singing

because i like it much more that spanish cante (please dont throw me out of the foro because of this comment)

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Dec. 17 2006 17:25:39

sonikete

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RE: Sabicas " Guitarists have t... (in reply to Rain)

What i mean isnt that you cant be flamenco and a soloist, what i mean is that soloists base their stuff on their knowledge of the singing and sometimes even imitate phrases in their solos. Or as paco puts it "singing with the guitar".

What you have in singing are periods, phrasings and other subtle things that they translate to their guitar solos, and these are things that you cant really put your finger on but clearly separates the soloists that know cante, from the ones that dont. And it hasnt so much to do with nationality as with experience accompanying.

Fusion with persian music sound pretty interesting and i wouldnt mind listening to that, but it would be fusion and it has been done before, maybe not with persian music but with other stuff.

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Dec. 17 2006 17:34:15

Florian

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RE: Sabicas " Guitarists have t... (in reply to sonikete)

personally , if i was doing fusion i would love to hear it with Yodelling.

id love to hear a Siguriyas version with yodelling

(only half kidding

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Dec. 17 2006 17:37:15

Arash

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RE: Sabicas " Guitarists have t... (in reply to Florian)

LOL...yeah just imagined a german yodelling with Bulerias

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Dec. 17 2006 17:45:32

Florian

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RE: Sabicas " Guitarists have t... (in reply to Arash)

u know what !!!!!!!!!! i have decided!!

i am gonna find some samples on the net and put the 2 togheder, i am way too curious and tipsy to let this go

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Dec. 17 2006 17:52:24

sonikete

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ToddK

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RE: Sabicas " Guitarists have t... (in reply to Rain)

Wow, you guys are getting insane here.

4 pages of this crap??

Another important aspect of being a good musician. Time managment.

Typing doesnt help you accompany dancers.

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