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 RE: how to contact juan martin? (in reply to Ron.M)
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Well this thread seems to be thrashed out, no use flogging a dead horse (it has however reached the top of the pops in the most active topics list, thats right number one!). To all involved: good effort boys its been entertaining. Not as good as the last juan martin thread but good none the less.  It doesnt have the same flair without a poll from florian  There should be another one in a couple of months hopefully. A big thanks to Sabo for bringing this to us, also a special mention for El Ted who hands down wins the 'best comment in thread' award with
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Juan Martin is Godlike and I love him!
but the undisputed stars of the show would have to be Miguel de Maria and tluzek.
Any way without further adoo.... (Ron, this ones for you buddy, i know how much you like me wrapping things up with an appropriate photo)
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Date Oct. 18 2006 5:15:49
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sabo
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RE: how to contact juan martin? (in reply to Doitsujin)
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People,
We have to agree about one thing, most posts on this thread have nothing to do with the topic or the purpose of the thread, do we agree?
All who think Juan Martin is not good, so please teach me flamenco guitar instead of him and do me that favour. But just saying he is not suitable without offering any alternative is not nice, who would teach me instead of him?? Any suggestions?
The thread was opened to ask about how to contact him and didn't ask the folks here about their golden opinions about him as a guitarist. I am using his book to learn from him. Do you all here listen just exclusively to your teachers and call yourselves devotee to them , just because you learn from them?
Its very strange attitude, when somebody enters and asks for a specific info and finds so many volunteers giving their golden opinions about questions which were never asked, so do you have really so much free time and don't have something better to do?
Damn, if it was required that all flamenco guitar teachers should play like paco de lucia or like sabicas, then no body of you here would have learned it too, do u understand this simple fact? A teacher doesn't have to be one of the best guitarists and vice versa. A great guitarist is not necessary a good teacher.!!!!
Best regards,
sabo
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Date Oct. 18 2006 7:59:08
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sabo
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RE: how to contact juan martin? (in reply to Miguel de Maria)
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Miguel,
I am not thinking you are here to satisfy me, but imagine I ignore your post now and start to talk about price of tomatoes in singapore because i like it...Well, I don't know from which culture you are coming but I don't consider this to be polite.
If the topic of the thread is not passing u, you have the option to ignore it, or you can also open a thread and take everything out of your soul against juan.
Next time I'll demonstrate that in a practical manner to show you how it is annoying to be talking about topic A and you find topics talking about Z because the authors feels like having free time and doesn't know what to do
Unfortunately in my area there are ZERO flamenco guitarists and the nearest one is sth like 300 km far away. And most probably no one is ever going to teach flamenco in this city, coz the folks here dont like this type of music :( there is only one very small school for teaching this kind of dancing, its not so successfull i think and they have no idea about flamenco guitar teaching, so I have now only the option to learn by myself and only through published material. Got it? So i dont care if he is the best guitarist on earth or even one of the lamers. At least he is better than I'll ever be and this is enough for me :)
I don't think phoning Juan Martin or Paco de Lucia is going to help much.
My dear colleagure, I didn't say WHY I need to contact him. :)
Best regards,
Sabo
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Date Oct. 18 2006 8:13:53
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RE: how to contact juan martin? (in reply to sabo)
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Well this thread seems to be thrashed out, no use flogging a dead horse
looks like theres still some life left in the old girl yet!
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Date Oct. 18 2006 8:44:36
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Escribano
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RE: how to contact juan martin? (in reply to Gitano)
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Guys, an opinion is one thing - we are all entitled to that. Comments that might be considered defamatory leave me with a big headache as this web site is now in the mainstream of English-speaking flamenco surfers and we can (and do) draw fire.
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Date Oct. 18 2006 12:43:02
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Miguel de Maria
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RE: how to contact juan martin? (in reply to sabo)
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ORIGINAL: sabo
I am not thinking you are here to satisfy me, but imagine I ignore your post now and start to talk about price of tomatoes in singapore because i like it...Well, I don't know from which culture you are coming but I don't consider this to be polite.
Sabo,
If you really must know about the price of tomatoes in Singapore, you should probably ask Skai or maybe Ryan, because they're from that neck of the woods.
It is a shame to live in an area with few flamencos, but there may be some hiding in the woodworks. I think it would be worth your time to look hard and really ask around. There may be some genius who is semi-retired but might teach someone who really wants to know. You say there is only one small dance school, but that is a start. First, the teacher is likely to know any guitarists in the area. Second, getting around that place in any way you can is going to help. You can learn simple Sevillanas and just get in there and start playing it.
Of course, there are videos, tab, DVDs galore, but I'd rather focus on anything you can do personally. There are plenty of people who use those things but don't really take the effort to get out there and experience it themselves.
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Date Oct. 18 2006 14:36:28
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tluczek
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RE: how to contact juan martin? (in reply to Doitsujin)
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On Monday I was doing concert of Rafael Cortes in Poznan. Amazing virtuoso, aire, feeling, technique, everything. No more to add. Not a little mistake in the whole concert. I was just listening hypnotised and shocked with my eyes wide opened. Perfect playing, perfect music.
But then many people came and said that it was amazing and everything, great virtuosity. But 70% of them said they prefered solo Juan's concert which I was doing on April. They said it was so much unique they'll never forget Juan here and the pieces (melodies) he played.
The people are of course not much flamenco, but they are not deaf.
They don't care about his technique, he uses enough to give them so much emotions that they prefer it to concert of one of the greatest virtuosos (with the whole group). Standing ovations in the middle of the concert (and at the end of course) where the best proof for me. He sold all the CDs he brought with him. Did he cheat anyone?
So what do you think of that? Does he lie anyone, uses people or what? They like what he's doing. He does a good work to promote good, pure flamenco to the people and doesn't take some big fees for his concerts - as the 3rd top guitarist in the world would surely take.
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Date Oct. 18 2006 23:32:13
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RE: how to contact juan martin? (in reply to Florian)
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Hey Florian, where the hell have you been! this has turned into the 'thread of dread' i dont know why everyone gets so worked up over JM, people seem to take it personally if you arnt into his music.  He gave us these threads, and for that i am eternally thankful!
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Date Oct. 19 2006 0:40:06
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RE: how to contact juan martin? (in reply to Gitano)
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Wow this thread has all the makings of a great t.v drama....
CONTROVESY;
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He has a Spanish accent which seems a bit phony
ROMANCE;
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Juan Martin is Godlike and I love him!
DELUSION;
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Juan Martin is Godlike and I love him!
INTRIUGE;
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Juan Martin is Godlike and I love him!
SIDE STORY;
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Ottmar is crap
REALITY CHECK;
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Juan disciples but please, wake up and smell the coffee
LIES AND DECEAT;
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A celebrated virtuoso of the flamenco guitar
REALITY;
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Juan Martin is under floor class. But from th view of composition he is... eeh...?
CHALLENGES;
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If any of the Juan's antifans here think they're better than him, come on and prove it, upload some mp3
REGRET;
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that's all, no more comments on Juan any more in this thread or any other
RESISTANCE;
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This foro is a democracy you know
APPRECIATION;
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thank you for the good scolding
ANGER;
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I think F--- you would be the appropriate response
TRUTH;
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corny little tunes
AND MORE CONTROVERSY;
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Juan Martin is the biggest Con in Flamenco
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Date Oct. 19 2006 3:58:45
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sabo
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 RE: how to contact juan martin? (in reply to Miguel de Maria)
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ORIGINAL: Miguel de Maria
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ORIGINAL: sabo
I am not thinking you are here to satisfy me, but imagine I ignore your post now and start to talk about price of tomatoes in singapore because i like it...Well, I don't know from which culture you are coming but I don't consider this to be polite.
Sabo,
If you really must know about the price of tomatoes in Singapore, you should probably ask Skai or maybe Ryan, because they're from that neck of the woods.
LOL ;) ok lets forget it, I'm sorry anyway!
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It is a shame to live in an area with few flamencos, but there may be some hiding in the woodworks. I think it would be worth your time to look hard and really ask around. There may be some genius who is semi-retired but might teach someone who really wants to know.
I really wish to know where they are hiding 
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You say there is only one small dance school, but that is a start. First, the teacher is likely to know any guitarists in the area. Second, getting around that place in any way you can is going to help. You can learn simple Sevillanas and just get in there and start playing it.
LOL this school is the reason of my frustration, when I called the woman who is teaching there asking about flamenco guitar teachers, she told me that she is also searching for anyone and asked me if I would work in her school
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Of course, there are videos, tab, DVDs galore, but I'd rather focus on anything you can do personally. There are plenty of people who use those things but don't really take the effort to get out there and experience it themselves.
Yeah, that's what I am trying to do. But what is more frustrating that the world of music doesn't know a lot about OPEN SOURCE like the world of programming, in which I am living ;) Have a nice day
Best regards,
Sabo
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Date Oct. 19 2006 7:11:12
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RE: how to contact juan martin? (in reply to el ted)
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If you want this site to be shut down just carry on as you have been doing
Aww c'mon man, im pretty sure most of them were only joking. Please, dont shut us down el ted.
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Date Oct. 19 2006 10:56:08
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tluczek
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From: Poland
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RE: how to contact juan martin? (in reply to Gitano)
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In his book he claims that everything is his own compositions when in reality None of it is! Secondly he never studied with Nino Ricardo or Paco de Lucia that is all lies! "The Flamenco Guitar" by Juan Grecos is a far better book for beginners. But better to learn from a good teacher than from a book.
Where does he claim like that? Show me the page, fragment, where is it written like that. I have some of his books, and when he does Diego del Gastor, he writes "Bulerias by Diego" (or something similar) and he tells about it, shows pictures from Moron de La Frontera, etc. If he doesn't tell about it, then it's some veeeery old traditional piece, which noone claims rights to. Nevertheless, doesn't Paco, Gerardo or others rip off from legendary players, they just change it more (add more notes, etc.). Noone is angry with that and they'd not be with Juan giving their falsetas as examples to get to know flamenco. And I can assure you he always tells about it.
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What I mean is that the audience is ignorant of what good flamenco guitar playing is - they even like Ottmar for God's sake! How many flamenco guitarists attend his concerts? If they are professionals they would not go to this this guy.
Audiences are easily pleased, they wouldn't know the difference between good or bad flamenco are long as you play simple corny little tunes like John Martin plays. You don't need alot of people to create a Huge Marketing Machine just alot of overblown over the top credits like saying that he was voted as one of the top 3 in the world - what a joke! "The Chopin of the guitar", as a composer compared to Tarrega. You must be kidding. Guitar Player Magazine - gee they know a lot about Flamenco being a Rock and Roll mag! Who are they to make such a claim!
You still didn't tell me why did they prefer Juan to Rafael Cortes.
I mean it's different kind of story. People on the foroflamenco.com are guitarists, advanced with techniques, listening for a long time to the music, which is too difficult for non-flamencos to listen to. It's not that they're deaf, it's just a matter of having a better knowledge of the music. Juan gives them a simple pure old flamenco, and he does it good. They like it and maybe later they'll like the best virtuosos better thanks to Juan. It's like with programming in computer science. There are many great books teaching advanced concepts. But without reading a simple book with basics, wrote by some author who can brilliantly write about it, you can't understand it. And I think he deserves some respect for that, at least not calling him a cheater.
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I have students that have better technique than him. I would like to teach him how to play tremolo and how to accompany dancers.
Yes, you're right, that's not a proper tremolo, but it has its own sound which is quite nice. It's more like ornamental than continuous. People like it and don't see a difference. He doesn't also play picados. He says he doesn't need it to create good feeling and aire. He plays a very good alza pua and 4-fingers downstroke continuous rasqueados. Does anyone still play like that? I'll never agree that it sounds the same like 3-fingers continuous one. There is much more flow in that.
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Date Oct. 19 2006 11:06:52
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tluczek
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From: Poland
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RE: how to contact juan martin? (in reply to Doitsujin)
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Fragment from an article:
"It’s not uncommon for flamenco guitarists to start learning their art at an early age. But to teach yourself, and to start doing so at six years old is the mark of a true maestro. Juan Martín was born and raised in Malaga, in Spain’s southernmost province of Andalusia, where flamenco culture runs deep. He picked up the rudiments of playing by watching other young guitarists, exchanging ideas with them, and listening to recordings of masters like Niño Ricardo.
When Martín moved to Madrid at the age of 17, his first destination in the Spanish capital was a shop owned by the Conde brothers, who made the country’s most sought-after flamenco guitars. “I walked in, very much the provincial and full of myself, to try out some of their instruments,” says Martín, reached in London, where he now lives. “An old man interrupted me, and in a gravelly voice asked where I’d learned what I was playing. I told him: ‘From an album of Niño Ricardo.’ He said: ‘I am Niño Ricardo.’
“He was pleased I’d been so meti?culous in learning his variations, and pointed out some things I’d got wrong,” Martín recalls. “After that I would often drop by the shop. He was nearly always there, and helped me a lot.”
Martín subsequently befriended many brilliant players, including the then–rising star of flamenco, Paco de Lucía. “I was a frequent visitor to his house. There were many wonderful juergas [flamenco sessions] with him and his brothers Ramón and Pepe, and the singer El Camarón de la Isla. Paco certainly had an effect on me at that time [the late ’60s]. But I quickly realized that to be a leading player you have to compose and arrange, and to find your own distinctive expression.”
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