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Exitao

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Cantaores...

As I go on listening to more and newer (to me) flamenco my tastes evolve. Funny though, I generally find myself collecting music by cantaores more than guitaristas.

The cantaores have actually turned me on to more palos than the guitar players. For example, alegrias never really turned my crank. Until I discovered Chano Lobato who's lilting whimsical voz raja actually made me see alegria in an alegria.

So my question for you people is which cantaores do you feel manage to be be the king of, or perfect singer for a specific palo?

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Miguel de Maria

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RE: Cantaores... (in reply to Exitao)

I don't know, but do you have Arcangel's 1st CD? I love that guy!

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ivan

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RE: Cantaores... (in reply to Exitao)

barullo!!!= bulerias
el torta= definitely bulerias!!!
Fernado de moreno= bulerias/soleares
Please listen to these guys..Especially el torta..
Jose Merce= bulerias/solea por bulerias
Camaron= alegria
El Pele=everything...
Ivan

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Exitao

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RE: Cantaores... (in reply to Exitao)

Do Cameron and Merce sing?

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TGerman

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RE: Cantaores... (in reply to Exitao)

There is a buleria on Tomatitos Paseo de los Castanos, Ahi te quedas, I think it's an incredible buleria, the only problem is I don't know who sings it! Does anyone know?

Also, I just bought Potitos new album and though it took a couple of listenings I have to say that I really, really like it, I listen to it constantly. Any thoughts on Potito?

Todd

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Ricardo

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RE: Cantaores... (in reply to TGerman)

On Tomatito's disc, it is Luis el Zambo and Fernando de la Morena, Zambo sings first.

Potito is sounding great now a days, listen to Tomatito's latest disc where Potito and Guadiana sing bulerias "en casa del Herrero", really inspiring singing. Ultimo Cantaor was great too, mainly he is a bulerias guy.

I like a lot of old style singers. Listen to the old creators of certain styles, Fandangos are especially personal. Nino de Gloria for example. Porrina & Farina.

Perla de Cadiz for Alegrias
Caracol for Fandangos
La Paquera for Bulerias and Fandangos
Maria Vargas also for Bulerias and Fandangos
Indio Gitano for Solea and Tangos.
Aurora Vargas for Tangos and bulerias
Luis el Zambo for bulerias and Solea por bulerias
Terremoto Jr for Malaguena, solea por bulerias, and why not bulerias too.
Miguel Poveda for Granaina and Cantinas/Alegrias
Esperanza Fernandez for Siguiriyas
Camaron for Taranta/Cartagenera/Minera etc.

As for more modern style singers, yeah I like Duquende and Potito mainly for bulerias, tangos, etc. Fast rhythmic stuff.

I feel like I am giving awards for cante competition or something. Just listen different singers, this is very much personal choice. The Movie "Flamenco" by Saura, tries to capture different artists doing their strongest material. Rito y Geografia del Cante is more in depth, but does the same.

Ricardo

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Exitao

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RE: Cantaores... (in reply to Exitao)

Thanks guys. This will help with my education. Sometimes the right singer is what it takes to make a foreign music suddenly clear.

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Phil

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RE: Cantaores... (in reply to Exitao)

I pretty much agree with the names mentioned so far, but I'd like to add Manuel Agujetas for Siguiriyas and Martinetes. My second favorite for Siguiriyas is Jose Merce.

Phil

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Jun. 25 2006 9:50:15

ivan

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RE: Cantaores... (in reply to Exitao)

I forgot to mention Paquera de Jerez..She was awsome..god bless her soul..I know you guys mentioned cantaores but she is extra special for those that love cante and gitanas..
Ivan

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Exitao

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RE: Cantaores... (in reply to Exitao)

As I'm browsing the forums tonight I keep meaning to check what this thread was all about and then I noticed it was one of mine.

I will definitely check out the singers you mention, but as for looking at it from a regional perspective, having never travelled Spain I have no point of reference.

While it makes sense to think of it your way, I have to admit my ignorance as to the geography in regards to the music. I do try to read sites like Horizonte Flamenco (you linked in another thread and have referenced that site many times in the past myself), the problem is that the level of language used there is a little above my level of educacion. It's far too culto for me. I have to read it - learn all the new vocabulary - reread it. Worse yet, when it comes to music etc, many times I have to learn the vocabulary and concepts in both languages and then go back to reading and rereading it.

Perhaps we should have a section for essays etc to be posted and you could edumacate me.

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Exitao

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RE: Cantaores... (in reply to Exitao)

Oops!
Um... So when we look at Cadiz, and we see Chano (Lobato?), Cameron and Rancapino which palos are we specifying?

When I think of Chano and Rancapino I think of Alegrias and Soleas. When I think of Cameron, I think of Bularias and Seguiriyas.

Am I off base?

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Exitao

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RE: Cantaores... (in reply to Exitao)

It's not that speaking or reading Spanish has ever really been a problem. Spanish is slower reading as I have to learn vocabulary on-the-fly (contextually and etymologically), but doable.
But learning new concepts in Spanish is taxing.

I'll check out those books when I find them.

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sonikete

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RE: Cantaores... (in reply to Exitao)

And add Fosforito, José Menese to the traditional list and El Pele to the modern.

Fosforito is the current holder of the "Llave de Oro"

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Ricardo

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RE: Cantaores... (in reply to Guest)

Barcelona:
Actually, I think Carmen Amaya was from there, don't remember.
Duquende, Poveda, and singers accompanied by Chicuelo often, like Mayte, Ginesa Ortega, etc. And you know Yi Yi is from there (he is with chuscales often). Can't say for sure what the "style" is but they all have something similiar, but still different than say jerezanos.

Nowadays it seems young people are doing things from any region, regardless where they are from.

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duende

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RE: Cantaores... (in reply to Exitao)

Does anybod have anything with Borrico and Gerardo Nuñez?

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Ricardo

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RE: Cantaores... (in reply to duende)

quote:

Does anybod have anything with Borrico and Gerardo Nuñez?

I doubt it. Nunez would be like 15? And his playing probably nothing so special or different as the traditional jerez guys. Of couse his playing now is interesting, but I don't think Borrico gets much better than that great stuff with Paco Cepero.

He has one bulerias on the Zambo family disc(thanks Tom!), I think Diego Amaya plays.

Ricardo

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Nov. 13 2006 2:18:19