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RE: New Tab - El Viejin bulerias
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Ricardo
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 RE: New Tab - El Viejin bulerias (in reply to Kate)
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Kate, the thing you are missing is that it is legal to use EXCERPTS from published works of music for educational purpose. Falsetas a perfect for this purpose. Conrad is not transcribing COMPLETE works or pieces, only certain falsetas. If he wanted to teach and make money from his note for note version of Parrilla's rather short falseta, it is perfectly legal without anyone's permission, both to write it down or record it, and even use it in a teaching book as such. Two falsetas from the same piece, might be getting into the grey area of legality.
Making a book of complete transcriptions, or a complete piece of music is different. I think it is determined by time, but I can't remember the limit. 2 minutes perhaps is allowed unless the complete work is that length.
Anyway in regards to the printed scores of copywrited flamenco, they probably have a pianist sketch out the general idea of a piece for copywrite purpose. PDL's early material was infacted printed this way. It was a joke and insult to guitar players, only a way to collect royalties for the publisher. A cante album most likely will not have the falseta sketched out, but it would be interesting to see an actuall score from say Dieguito's latest album as done for copywrite.
One more thing, F the publishers.
Ricardo
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Date May 19 2006 22:28:10
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bahen
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RE: New Tab - El Viejin bulerias (in reply to Conrad)
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Artists make music.
Artists earn a living.
Music is a business.
You cannot walk into a bread shop and hand out the baker's bread on his behalf in the spirit of sharing. It's not your's to share.
Don't share the bread, but share the knowledge behind making bread. It's greedy to monopolise means. That's what writing and sharing tablature is about. As for the opinion that music is a business - well, I really think this has lost sight of 'music as emotion'. Again, you cannot put dollars on every darn thing there is: it's frustrating. When transcribers like Conrad do what they do, they are fighting back against the publishing industry's growing monopoly on music and the means thereof. Ricardo puts it well, F the publishers.
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And of course its a business, ask any professional artist. You make it sound as if the artist is a greedy capitalist , exploiting the public merely by expecting payment for his work, for hours of practice and dedication to their art. I think your way of thinking is sad and twisted. I fight on the artist's side.
Kate, please don't make it sound as if this is the opinion of all artists. Take Tomas Jimenez on this forum - his recordings are incredible, and I would think his following to be wide. I for one cannot stop looping his mp3s. What's admirable about Tomas is that he is not miserly about sharing his knowledge. I agree with you, however, that there are many artists that do like to collect their pennies from those who would even look at them pluck strings - there's little to say to these persons other than that they have lost sight of why and how flamenco, as a culture, came into existence.
Respectfully,
bahen
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Date May 20 2006 6:29:53
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Kate
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Joined: Jul. 8 2003
From: Living in Granada, Andalucía
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RE: New Tab - El Viejin bulerias (in reply to bahen)
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I agree with you, however, that there are many artists that do like to collect their pennies from those who would even look at them pluck strings
I dont recall saying this and I know of no-one like this.
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ORIGINAL: bahen
there's little to say to these persons other than that they have lost sight of why and how flamenco, as a culture, came into existence.
Not sure I follow this. Can it be you refer to the time when Gypsies were not allowed to own land or property. When they were forced to run and hide as there was a price on their heads. When whole communities were taken from their homes and made to work on the cortijos for a pittance, eating only garbazos every day for twenty years. When five year olds went door to door selling thimbles of perfume to help the family survive. When 13 year olds worked in factories paid a dollar a day for a forty hour week. Ooops that still goes on, my mistake.
Bahen we should agree to disagree as we are not getting anywhere with this. We have different points of view, different experiences and I do not have the will to keep defending my position. The majority of flamenco guitarists in Andalucia struggle to make a living, get paid little and exploited a lot. You cannot feed a family on duende.
And I have no problem with what Conrad is doing. Its a great resource.
Basta ya,
Kate
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