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Joined: Jan. 20 2004
From: Austin, Texas USA
RE: Antonio Torres documentary (in reply to Ricardo)
Thanks Ricardo, I enjoyed the video too. I have only a couple of minor nits to pick.
The video confuses Jose Ramirez I with his younger and more famous brother Manuel. At 10:49-11:20 it shows a photo of Jose and attributes the notorious fake Torres stunt to him. Then it follows up with a photo of Manuel, who was actually the culprit, without distinguishing him from Jose.
Manuel was the most famous maker in Madrid, but the reputation of his instruments was overshadowed by that of Torres's guitars, though Torres was by then deceased.
Manuel made copies of Torres instruments, putting his own label in some and a fake Torres label in others. The best players, both classical and flamenco, hung out at Manuel's shop. He invited them to try out the guitars. It was generally agreed the (fake) Torres were the best. Manuel then removed the fake labels, revealing his own label underneath.
The video repeats the idea that the tornavoz was meant to improve the projection of sound. It may or may not do so. Richard Bruné has said the main effect of the tornavoz is to lower the air resonance of a guitar.
Posts: 15650
Joined: Dec. 14 2004
From: Washington DC
RE: Antonio Torres documentary (in reply to estebanana)
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ORIGINAL: estebanana
It has several factual mistakes. Don’t you find it difficult to listen to an AI narrator?
no. I prefer it these days. Because AI lacks intelligence (yes, ironic), it has no bias. The horrible accent on the Spanish words is also quite refreshing.
Thanks Ricardo, I enjoyed the video too. I have only a couple of minor nits to pick.
The video confuses Jose Ramirez I with his younger and more famous brother Manuel. At 10:49-11:20 it shows a photo of Jose and attributes the notorious fake Torres stunt to him. Then it follows up with a photo of Manuel, who was actually the culprit, without distinguishing him from Jose.
Manuel was the most famous maker in Madrid, but the reputation of his instruments was overshadowed by that of Torres's guitars, though Torres was by then deceased.
Manuel made copies of Torres instruments, putting his own label in some and a fake Torres label in others. The best players, both classical and flamenco, hung out at Manuel's shop. He invited them to try out the guitars. It was generally agreed the (fake) Torres were the best. Manuel then removed the fake labels, revealing his own label underneath.
The video repeats the idea that the tornavoz was meant to improve the projection of sound. It may or may not do so. Richard Bruné has said the main effect of the tornavoz is to lower the air resonance of a guitar.
RNJ
And on top of these oversights, the opening comments about baroque guitar attribution are completely false. I’m weary from watching so much video information from people who are not qualified to ‘publish’ information on non vetted media sources that I turn it off as soon as in understand that my tiny little brain knows more about the subject than the presenter.
Posts: 15650
Joined: Dec. 14 2004
From: Washington DC
RE: Antonio Torres documentary (in reply to estebanana)
They don't talk much about baroque period. Here is the 1590 guitar (I consider that the renaissance still). Not sure if this dude also made vihuelas but I guess so?
Then the narrator jumps a hundred freaking years ahead to say the only baroque builder to put his name and address in there (Tomas Duran Sevilla)...is that the part you have issue with? who else did that during the baroque? Also is 1770 the earliest 6 string version?
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