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Stu

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Alegrias lyrics 

Why does the word mandilon come up in alegrias so much?

I understand it means coward. I thought Alegrias lyrics would generally be jolly. Talking about cowards and the like seems a bit negative!
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Ricardo

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RE: Alegrias lyrics (in reply to Stu

Can you give a couple examples?

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rombsix

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RE: Alegrias lyrics (in reply to Stu

quote:

Why does the word mandilon come up in alegrias so much?

I understand it means coward. I thought Alegrias lyrics would generally be jolly. Talking about cowards and the like seems a bit negative!


https://www.experienceflamenco.com/blog/2018/7/20/que-mandilon-the-weekly-letra

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Ricardo

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RE: Alegrias lyrics (in reply to Stu

yes, no lyrics in flamenco are really "jolly" . Majority about love, and that is the most painful shyte. Lots of cowardice and bravery going on there. Mandilón translates to "apron", so double meaning? Also Pilón translates to "trough" like drinking water for horses. So as the link states, I envision a girl taking some dude by the head with her apron, dunking his head into the animal drinking water.

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Stu

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RE: Alegrias lyrics (in reply to Ricardo

Well the main one.

El Pele y vicente amigo. Canto

But just listened to a couple other random alegrias and they also had the word mandilon.

Thanks ramzi. Cool website
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orsonw

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RE: Alegrias lyrics (in reply to Ricardo

quote:

yes, no lyrics in flamenco are really "jolly"


Stu, looks like it could be time for you to finally embrace cante jondo and seguiriyas!

Letra are often expressing complexity of different emotions at once, even ones that are paradoxical: just like life.

EDIT just saw you referenced El Pele Canto, great example. He's singing about the complexity of emotion expressed in flamenco cante:

Aunque no tenga alegria
este tono en que yo canto
lleva mar y lleva azucar
lleva amor lleva quebranto
lleva sal y lleva azucar
lleva amor lleva quebranto

Even though it doesn't have joy
This tone in which I sing
It carries the sea and it carries sugar
It carries love, it carries sorrow
It carries salt and it carries sugar
It carries love, it carries sorrow


Even alegrias are often tinged with loss e.g. celebrating something and saying you'll remember it when it's gone.
Aurelio Selles at the estribillo/coletilla:
Go to the sea
dear Pepe
No matter how far away you go, I'm going
to see you.



Que le llaman relicario
a Cai no le llaman Cai
que le llaman relicario
porque tenemos por patrona
y a la Virgen del Rosario
porque por patrona tenemos
y a la Virgen del Rosario

Que y a la mar que te vayas
querido Pepe
y por muy lejos que te vayas
me voy por verte

Mira que bonito esta
y como reluce mi Cai
mira que bonito esta
sobre un cachito de tierra
que le ha robaito al mar

Cuando se entra en Cai
por la bahia
se entra en el paraiso
de la alegria
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Stu

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RE: Alegrias lyrics (in reply to orsonw

quote:

Stu, looks like it could be time for you to finally embrace cante jondo and seguiriyas!


haha NOOOooooo!

yes maybe!
Thanks for the reply. tbh I am aware that just cos its alegrias it doesnt mean its all lyrics about sun and good times! Just this mandilon word kept popping up. just wondered if there was some history to this in alegrias for some reason?

Might start working on some more bits of seguiriyas now you mention...but i have just over filed my nails so i feel limited!

What I'd really love to learn in regards siguiriyas is those classic chaotic jerez siguiriyas into arpeggios!!
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orsonw

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RE: Alegrias lyrics (in reply to Stu

quote:

What I'd really love to learn in regards siguiriyas is those classic chaotic jerez siguiriyas into arpeggios!!


Not sure if you mean this?
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Stu

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RE: Alegrias lyrics (in reply to orsonw

Yes that's exactly what I mean!! And that's who I was thinking of cos he obvs did ask that at sadlers weeks on June!

And it's more thumb and index and ligado .... no arps. I was remembering it wrong!
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orsonw

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RE: Alegrias lyrics (in reply to Stu

quote:

that's exactly what I mean!


Manuel Morao mechanism. P down, P down, i up + some ligado.
This thread has links to videos of Ricardo's versions of Manual Morao.

http://www.foroflamenco.com/tm.asp?m=350156&appid=&p=&mpage=2&key=manuel%2Cmorao%2Cseguiriyas&tmode=&smode=&s=#350250
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orsonw

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RE: Alegrias lyrics (in reply to orsonw



Back on topic here's El Perla por Alegria with Manuel Morao.

Yo tengo una queja contigo
y no te la he dadito a entender
que para poder yo hablar contigo
que me valgo de mi saber

A Cádiz no le llaman Cádiz
que le llaman relicario
porque tengo por patrona
a mi Virgencita del Rosario

Tienes los dientes
que son granitos gitano
de arroz con leche

Qué pinta más descolorida
¿y quién te ha quitadito el color?
me lo quitó un marinero
con palabritas de amor

A revolcarme
en un capote gitano
que huele a sangre
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Ricardo

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RE: Alegrias lyrics (in reply to Stu

quote:

ORIGINAL: Stu

Yes that's exactly what I mean!! And that's who I was thinking of cos he obvs did ask that at sadlers weeks on June!

And it's more thumb and index and ligado .... no arps. I was remembering it wrong!


It is the same type of thing I show as the first falseta in this video tutorial. Honestly, Diego is not very clear and articulate with it compared to his great uncle (who is the best at it IMO). Also I have my version of the manuel Morao thing in my Formative Works book (it’s on Amazon). But you should start with the video:

At 18:20-20:00 it starts:


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orsonw

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RE: Alegrias lyrics (in reply to Ricardo

quote:

I show as the first falseta in this video tutorial


This is a great tutorial, thank you Ricardo. I learnt that first falseta from it a few months ago.
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Stu

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RE: Alegrias lyrics (in reply to Ricardo

Thanks Ricardo,

Will have a look at your tutorial when I get the guitar in my hands later!
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