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The 250 Greatest Guitarists of All Time
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devilhand
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 The 250 Greatest Guitarists of All Time
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https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-lists/best-guitarists-1234814010/
The foreword says:
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Rolling Stone published its original list of the 100 Greatest Guitarists in 2011. It was compiled by a panel of musicians, mostly older classic rockers. Our new expanded list was made by the editors and writers of Rolling Stone. This one goes to 250.
The list has rock, jazz, reggae, country, folk, blues, punk, metal, disco, funk, bossa nova, bachata, Congolese rumba, flamenco, and much more.
Any flamenco guitarist included in the list?
Where's Paco? This list is utter BS.
Btw, what is bachata or Congolese rumba? Never heard of it.
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Date Aug. 13 2024 0:16:08
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Ricardo
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RE: The 250 Greatest Guitarists of A... (in reply to devilhand)
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Rolling Stone is a fanzine….of course the list would be different than the guitar magazines. I learned a lot in the late 80’s about music via the astute discussions and readership contributions. At the time the best mag was guitar for the practicing musician (GFTPM), much more involved than Guitar Player or Guitar World, which had good photos. GW started copying the format in terms of including music scores. The lists of “greatest” always made some sense, though it was always clear it was based on commercial popularity rather than ability or depth.
About who is a great player, McLaughlin is my pick, having played with Miles, Hendrix, Paco, Chick, Santana, Jaco, Dimeola, the best drummers ever, greats from India, etc. I still like my rock guys like Gilbert, BEttencourt, Yngwie, Randy, Van Halen, Becker, etc.
In flamenco, Paco Cepero does no wrong in any area. Cante, Baile, Solo, speedy picados, commercial Rumba, etc. Paco De Lucia was the greatest of all time but often divided the aficionados, where as nobody would deny Cepero was best for the cante. My flamenco list has never changed much. Ramon MOntoya, PDL, M. Sanlucar, Cepero, Nuñez, Tomatito, V. Amigo, Morao (Manuel uncle and son, Diego is decent), Chicuelo, and Antonio Rey was and still is an inspiration.
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Date Aug. 14 2024 15:54:02
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Mark2
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RE: The 250 Greatest Guitarists of A... (in reply to El Burdo)
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If the ability to play over changes is considered, few rock players would be on the list. Same with flamenco players. So Sabicas would not make the list(probably didn't anyway, which would be absurd) I think an artist being able to communicate is a factor, but it can't be overstated or you'd have people like Ottmar or Charo outranking much better players. But I do think having an impact on the culture is a factor.
I've been of the opinion for years that the Band of Gypsies live recording is the best rock guitar live performance I've ever heard. Just incredible playing. I saw a short interview with Vai and Satriani where both agreed that Machine Gun from that record was their choice for the best rock guitar solo ever.
When Jaco died there was a tribute concert for him in Berkeley. Herbie was there, so was Wayne Shorter, and Hirim Bullock https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hiram_Bullock
Santana was also expected to show up. A friend of mine, a trumpet player named El Oso was also invited and he invited me to watch. I was on the side of the stage when Bullock took an extended solo. Bullock was a great guitarist and his solo showed it. As he was playing Santana arrived backstage and plugged into an amp. He was warming up silently as Bullock soloed. The crowd couldn't see him. When Bullock finished he got the applause one usually hears after a soloist in a jazz context. Well deserved. Then Santana, still unseen, hit one note, and the whole room stood up. One huge Carlos note and he made everyone forget the last five minutes. Was Carlos better than Bullock? Not from a technical standpoint.
People often slag Carlos as a limited player, and he is compared to jazz players. But he may have more instrumental hits than any other modern era musician. There are few instrumental hit records. Maybe one a year, some years there are none. Few artists have more than one. Carlos has several. I think that is relevant.
Regarding other players, I saw Framton at his peak. I'm pretty sure I was at the concert that his double live album was recorded at. He sounded great. The talkbox gimmick was effective. I also saw Rory Gallagher and he was a great player as well. Great performer. Neither of those guys were in Jimi's league IMO.
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ORIGINAL: El Burdo
Do you think? Not sure, if we're talking about technique. I think 'communication' is about something else. I think of him as being a fantastic musician who played guitar.
For me, at the age of 14 Jimi's arrival was an amazing experience (ahem..) and a source of wonderment for years. But in guitar terms I only ever heard of one Hendrix clone - Peter Frampton - and the music was hollow compared to Jimi.
I'm not sure I heard many of Jimi's techniques repeated in direct or influential form. Maybe the various 'sus' embellishments? The double string bend (one going up, another coming down)? Not much, I don't think.
Had he ever played with Miles, I think Jimi might have been shown (up) for what he was - a fantastically creative blues/rock guitarist, though a limited one capable of eliciting an emotional response from an audience. He would have played blues too, but not like Sco did with Miles. It would have been interesting to see if he would have educated himself in harmony and theory to become a different musician later.
I saw Eric Clapton ('God') play live with Herbie at a jazz festival. There was a key change. Eric f* it up, grimaced and the dual standard between rock guitarists and jazz was shown in crystal clarity.
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Date Aug. 14 2024 16:15:55
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Mark2
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RE: The 250 Greatest Guitarists of A... (in reply to Ricardo)
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Well there is the fact that Charo was voted best flamenco guitarist by the readers of guitar player magazine. Twice.
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ORIGINAL: Ricardo
Rolling Stone is a fanzine….of course the list would be different than the guitar magazines. I learned a lot in the late 80’s about music via the astute discussions and readership contributions. At the time the best mag was guitar for the practicing musician (GFTPM), much more involved than Guitar Player or Guitar World, which had good photos. GW started copying the format in terms of including music scores. The lists of “greatest” always made some sense, though it was always clear it was based on commercial popularity rather than ability or depth.
About who is a great player, McLaughlin is my pick, having played with Miles, Hendrix, Paco, Chick, Santana, Jaco, Dimeola, the best drummers ever, greats from India, etc. I still like my rock guys like Gilbert, BEttencourt, Yngwie, Randy, Van Halen, Becker, etc.
In flamenco, Paco Cepero does no wrong in any area. Cante, Baile, Solo, speedy picados, commercial Rumba, etc. Paco De Lucia was the greatest of all time but often divided the aficionados, where as nobody would deny Cepero was best for the cante. My flamenco list has never changed much. Ramon MOntoya, PDL, M. Sanlucar, Cepero, Nuñez, Tomatito, V. Amigo, Morao (Manuel uncle and son, Diego is decent), Chicuelo, and Antonio Rey was and still is an inspiration.
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