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RE: Can too much relief be altered d... (in reply to silddx)
Ah, I thought you meant you paid £700 for the repair work. If you only paid £250 that's actually a great price.
Fretwork varies from one guitar to the next. It's a bit more complicated on many electric guitars than the proverbial Spanish guitar, and working with vintage frets can be very complicated indeed, as you don't have the material to play with, so need to approach things slightly differently. You can easily factor in 15 minutes per fret on some fret jobs, if not more.
RE: Can too much relief be altered d... (in reply to Firefrets)
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Fretwork varies from one guitar to the next. It's a bit more complicated on many electric guitars than the proverbial Spanish guitar, and working with vintage frets can be very complicated indeed, as you don't have the material to play with, so need to approach things slightly differently. You can easily factor in 15 minutes per fret on some fret jobs, if not more.
Understood, and there's radius to deal with too I suppose. This was a 2016 Fender Japan Strat with a 7.25 radius. Nice guitar but I should never have bought it! I'll sell it and get myself another Strandberg I think.
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RE: Can too much relief be altered d... (in reply to Manitas de Lata)
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first and third video are close , really close sometimes..
last video i think its noticeable that its dirty almost giving a sloppy sound (nothing about your playing that is excelent as usual) , see the bar chords and the single notes on the last video , not so clean .
Um, you did not really answer the question. What does “close” mean, two different guitars sound similar to WHAT? The first and last guitars are the same damn guitar. The point in this thread was that you believe Friction Pegs produce a different sound than machine head guitars. So….my point was do you think the guitar sounds in alignment with your conception you have been pushing?
RE: Can too much relief be altered d... (in reply to Ricardo)
i said first video and third ... if i just listen without seeing i had to listen more than once to conclue the guitars are different , thats why i said they re close , not the same.
i can agree that some "regular" machine head guitars can have sound similarities to pegs , not all , thats why i think who whats to play "modern" flamenco doesnt want that sound, as pegs seems to lack power ( ?) with chords and faster rythm with chords and produce a dirtier or sloppier sound now the sound , as i said posted on previous page, it seems to me pegs have more metalic sound (ok regular can have also very metalic sound) and more dryer (i think i wrote it wrong) sound , a different vibration (more?) and more (or little more) buzz, and the rest i allready said "as pegs seems to lack power ( ?) with chords and faster rythm with chords and produce a dirtier or sloppier sound" ok you can say that regular can have also all of that due to different factors , and i would support that...
if pegs are appropriate to all palos , styles , places , solo playing or with cantaor , i have to leave that to you (in comparison with regular machine heads)
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RE: Can too much relief be altered d... (in reply to Manitas de Lata)
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ORIGINAL: Manitas de Lata
i said first video and third ... if i just listen without seeing i had to listen more than once to conclue the guitars are different , thats why i said they re close , not the same.
i can agree that some "regular" machine head guitars can have sound similarities to pegs , not all , thats why i think who whats to play "modern" flamenco doesnt want that sound, as pegs seems to lack power ( ?) with chords and faster rythm with chords and produce a dirtier or sloppier sound now the sound , as i said posted on previous page, it seems to me pegs have more metalic sound (ok regular can have also very metalic sound) and more dryer (i think i wrote it wrong) sound , a different vibration (more?) and more (or little more) buzz, and the rest i allready said "as pegs seems to lack power ( ?) with chords and faster rythm with chords and produce a dirtier or sloppier sound" ok you can say that regular can have also all of that due to different factors , and i would support that...
if pegs are appropriate to all palos , styles , places , solo playing or with cantaor , i have to leave that to you (in comparison with regular machine heads)
I still can’t get to a clear answer from you. The point of my post was did the guitar I played with pegs conform to your bias about, different than the machine head guitars. IN other words was the peg head “metallic dry buzzy dirty weak in chords” etc. whatever the heck you are on about.
I am going to go with “yes” because you said it was “not clean” or something in the last video, and that you were confused by the 3rd guitar with machines only because I played the same falseta/palo, so you thought it was literally the same instrument.
So I tricked you because the guitar “with pegs in my video” does not in fact have “pegs”. Those are machines just like all the other guitars, they are mechanical metal pegs designed to simply ‘look” like pegs from the front view. So we have proved then your bias is at work, not your ear. There is ZERO credence to the thing you think you are hearing due to your eyes making up things up in your head.
RE: Can too much relief be altered d... (in reply to Ricardo)
man in a certain way i agreed with you , and you just confirmed that in this reply , but after you enter on a contradition , not really understand the issue ... i told and i replied pretty fast... that if i had a blind test i would have difficulty to say that they were different guitars because the sound seemed very close (more than 90% if you understand better this way) , and i heard many times , if not i wouldnt had doubts... seems that you blinded to get right on something , rather than read my explanation (in poor english i know..) . I say this because i also said that some or many can have similar sound to pegs due to some specification that i told them more than once, i even explained the examples of my thoughts lol you repllying like i was caught on something , and i allready told you more than once that they sounded pretty close ...
Note , after this i come across with modern and older guitar that have some of those caracteristics ( but not the same and none had pegs) , still... the older one had more similarities , but for me didnt had the issues that peg have or older peg have if you wish. And with these , and for my toughts above in other reply , im also saying that a lot or some guitars have close similiarties but also diferences , their arent the same , as other person said here or in the other same topic.
RE: Can too much relief be altered d... (in reply to Firefrets)
The only way to know, is to try and listen with your ears the very same guitar with and without pegs. I did it on a guitar of mine I knew very well. I used to play that guitar a lot before and after the modification and so I am confident in my assessment that there’s a minimal if no difference but in weight. The string, behind the saddle, doesn’t transmit any sound.
RE: Can too much relief be altered d... (in reply to Echi)
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The only way to know, is to try and listen with your ears the very same guitar with and without pegs. I did it on a guitar of mine I knew very well. I used to play that guitar a lot before and after the modification and so I am confident in my assessment that there’s a minimal if no difference but in weight. The string, behind the saddle, doesn’t transmit any sound.
This is the third time you have said this, but Manitas doesn't seem to hear you.
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RE: Can too much relief be altered d... (in reply to davewphx)
Thanks very much, Dave! I really love the guitar, it's quite different to my other one from Granada luthier, Antonio Ariza, which is very lively and easy to play. This Conde is more challenging for me, it's quite dry and needs powerful playing I'm told. But if I play lightly she sounds so sweet and breathy. I love them both, I have been very lucky.
Get a guitar back in your hands, now!
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